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Progmatic-Studios · Post by **Progmatic-Studios** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:25 am

Hi,

I used to work with an analoge mackie mixer and a digital yamaha 01v mix console, but i had to sell them a couple of years ago.
Now i mix mix in-the-box, using Cubase 4 and a RME FF400.

Does anyone think that hardware mixers still sound fatter/warmer?
Are there any HQ VST effects to make the final mix sound warm and fat ? (for use on the master fader)

thanx!

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:28 am

ever heard of the PSP vintage warmer? if not, search for it in the plug-in database here on kvr, and be sure to read the user reviews....

-M

Barendse · Post by **Barendse** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:45 am

Nebula. Tape/tube/console/eq/preamp programs.

Agreed · Post by **Agreed** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:52 am

I don't know how the Yamaha mixer could sound warm while in-the-box sounds cold, it was a digital mixer too. Same sorts of things that happen in a modern DAW went on in that digital console, probably at a much lower precision, relatively speaking. Maybe you're hearing a little with your ears and a lot with your eyes - or there was some effects or something on it that really hit the spot and made you think of it as being "positive" (since usually in these discussions, "warm" means just "good")?

I've heard hundreds of albums mixed in the box that sound great. It's not an inferior technology by any means. Common higher end analog (tape-based) might have a frequency response that reaches into the high 16khz. Digital is capable of higher bandwidth recording than analog, and in general has a much more pristine sound - it could be that you're liking the imperfections. There are plenty of "analog flavored" plugins which try to impart some of the characteristic flaws/imperfections that sound good ITB, have a look around.

reddvinylene · Post by **reddvinylene** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:07 am

I think you'd be better off just using the search function.

popmoney · Post by **popmoney** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:10 am

I always have psp vintage warmer on the master fader.Glues everything together with lots of "air" too.Magic yoke. And if you haven't heard of the T racks singles group buy at esoundz then you should high tail it over there before their special offer ends

Progmatic-Studios · Post by **Progmatic-Studios** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:48 am

popmoney wrote:I always have psp vintage warmer on the master fader.Glues everything together with lots of "air" too.Magic yoke. And if you haven't heard of the T racks singles group buy at esoundz then you should high tail it over there before their special offer ends

alleady bought some tracks plugins:
Vintage Tube Compressor/Limiter model 670
Vintage Tube Program Equalizer
Opto compressor
Intelligent, multi-algorithm Brickwall limiter
High precision, high definition Linear Phase Equalizer
Reverb Hall

popmoney · Post by **popmoney** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:12 am

esmeets wrote:
popmoney wrote:I always have psp vintage warmer on the master fader.Glues everything together with lots of "air" too.Magic yoke. And if you haven't heard of the T racks singles group buy at esoundz then you should high tail it over there before their special offer ends
alleady bought some tracks plugins:
Vintage Tube Compressor/Limiter model 670
Vintage Tube Program Equalizer
Opto compressor
Intelligent, multi-algorithm Brickwall limiter
High precision, high definition Linear Phase Equalizer
Reverb Hall

You feel something is missing after you've tried all of them?

Progmatic-Studios · Post by **Progmatic-Studios** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:33 am

no. i just bought them and did not try it on the master bus.
wich do you recommend?

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:20 am

esmeets wrote:no. i just bought them and did not try it on the master bus.
wich do you recommend?

The seventh plugin on your list.

Shogger

Progmatic-Studios · Post by **Progmatic-Studios** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:27 am

shogger wrote:
esmeets wrote:no. i just bought them and did not try it on the master bus.
wich do you recommend?
The seventh plugin on your list.

Shogger

........?

shogger · Post by **shogger** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:52 am

esmeets wrote:........?

You bought them, didn't try them and ask what others would do? Use what you've got.
If you're looking for good new toys, try Bootsies plugins. But you're sorted with what you've just bought.

Shogger

OMNIFEX · Post by **OMNIFEX** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:59 am

esmeets wrote:Hi,

I used to work with an analoge mackie mixer and a digital yamaha 01v mix console, but i had to sell them a couple of years ago.
Now i mix mix in-the-box, using Cubase 4 and a RME FF400.

Does anyone think that hardware mixers still sound fatter/warmer?
Are there any HQ VST effects to make the final mix sound warm and fat ? (for use on the master fader)

thanx!

Yes. This is why many still mixdown using an analogue board.

You may want to explore Stillwell audio's 1073 and, Vibe Equaliser. It will bring back that analogue tone you are looking for.

http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=17

http://www.stillwellaudio.com/?page_id=34

Also, signal to noize equalisers.

http://www.rhythminmind.net/presetblog/ ... y/plugins/

Sonnox Oxford Equaliser

http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugin ... cts/eq.htm

Antress Deep Purple Equaliser is good as well. It is actually the only plug-in that works for my needs.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261898

Voxengo's Overtone

http://www.voxengo.com/product/overtonegeq/

That is just a few of the Equalisers I use.

Cheers!

shanecgriffo · Post by **shanecgriffo** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:21 am

i'd try the 670 compressor with 'default' setting, just raise the threshold until you see 1-2db movement on the meters. stick the program eq after it with the 'vintage presence' (i think that's what its called) preset and tweak a little as needed. that should give you a bit of old style warmth but with nice clarity too.

living sounds · Post by **living sounds** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:39 am

esmeets wrote:Hi,

I used to work with an analoge mackie mixer and a digital yamaha 01v mix console, but i had to sell them a couple of years ago.
Now i mix mix in-the-box, using Cubase 4 and a RME FF400.

Does anyone think that hardware mixers still sound fatter/warmer?
Are there any HQ VST effects to make the final mix sound warm and fat ? (for use on the master fader)

thanx!

Good hardware mixers yes. I wouldn't want an (unmodified) Mackie anywhere near my master bus. No plugin on the master fader will give you the sound of a mix made using outboard on a good console either. Better give your track to a mastering studio with some good gear.