is this how you write and produce a song from scratch? (have screenshot examples)
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
There is no "procedure" or "recipe" to follow. It's great that you did an analysis of a track. Analysis and study never killed a musician (although I've seen some on this forum act as though it will be like shoving a butter knife into an electrical outlet).pein wrote:
so its basically to first combine a good chord combination, and then start playing instruments in that scale which your chords are??
Now you can take what you discovered and do some experimentation. Start with the exact same chords and create a different lead. Then try the opposite process, etc.
Your process will be unique to you. And it might even be unique for each song. Keep poking around and experimenting and tinkering.
Writing music is not a scientist in a lab coat trying to reproduce results in a lab from a previous procedure. It is crazy old grampa in his coveralls out in the garage with the vacuum taken apart trying to fix it with duct tape and and an old hairbrush.
Good luck.
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- KVRist
- 211 posts since 28 Apr, 2009 from Ft. Lauderdale, FL
I would say that this is the most common approach to writing most forms of popular music. There are other approaches, of course. Hip hop, for example, is quite different. I don't have the link, but I do remember watching a video of Timberland and Busta Rhymes creating songs in the studio. They would just program different ideas for beats on the drum machine until they got inspired to start coming up with freestyle raps. They pretty much wrote, recorded and mixed in real time. No chords or melodies whatsoever.pein wrote: i have absolutely no idea if that is how its done, but i started wondering
since the tones of the strings(also applies to baseline,vocals,everything! besides the arpeggiated sound in the background?) also change when the chords change!
so its basically to first combine a good chord combination, and then start playing instruments in that scale which your chords are??
i mean, i hope this is how its done cause if its not then i am so lost right now
thanks for your help in advance!
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- KVRist
- 212 posts since 5 Jun, 2006
I don't know how well you know music theory, but one thing that will help you a lot is theory.
There are several books about that for the beginners, the idiot's series helped me a lot.
This forum has several people who will help you a lot as well,so you came to the right place.
About your question, I don't know if you know chord progressions,if you know the scale you are using, you have several options to compose a song, however you need to follow the main melody/vocal notes. Otherwise it's not gonna sound good.
The vocal is monophonic, plays only one notea at a time not chords, so choose chords that has the notes from the vocal/melody. This will work out good.
About your picture.
I think you are wondering how notes/chords relate to each other.
Example:
C major notes.
C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C, so you can only use chords that has those notes.
You can use other chords that has notes that are not in this scale for color, so you have to use your ears because I don't know the theory for that so whatever sounds good in your progression.
However most dance music songs use the simple theory only, not notes from outside the scale.
In C major, uses D chords, D major is D+F#+A so it uses F# that does not belong to the C major scale.However D minor uses D+F+A , so you can use with C major scale, using this tip you can find which chords you can use in whatever scale.
I use a book with all the chords and then I find out what I can use.
C,D,E,F,G,A,B
1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Using this method with numbers you can do a lot of chord progressions and several songs uses a 4-5-1 progression,so it would be F-G-C chords in C major scale.F major, G major, C major, usually look for 1-3-5 first notes of a scale so you find the match for the scale you are working.
Besides that you can use 7th type of chords and several others that use more than 3 notes(triads) at a time.
All that you can find in books with GREAT details.
Hope that helps you.
There are several books about that for the beginners, the idiot's series helped me a lot.
This forum has several people who will help you a lot as well,so you came to the right place.
About your question, I don't know if you know chord progressions,if you know the scale you are using, you have several options to compose a song, however you need to follow the main melody/vocal notes. Otherwise it's not gonna sound good.
The vocal is monophonic, plays only one notea at a time not chords, so choose chords that has the notes from the vocal/melody. This will work out good.
About your picture.
I think you are wondering how notes/chords relate to each other.
Example:
C major notes.
C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C, so you can only use chords that has those notes.
You can use other chords that has notes that are not in this scale for color, so you have to use your ears because I don't know the theory for that so whatever sounds good in your progression.
However most dance music songs use the simple theory only, not notes from outside the scale.
In C major, uses D chords, D major is D+F#+A so it uses F# that does not belong to the C major scale.However D minor uses D+F+A , so you can use with C major scale, using this tip you can find which chords you can use in whatever scale.
I use a book with all the chords and then I find out what I can use.
C,D,E,F,G,A,B
1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Using this method with numbers you can do a lot of chord progressions and several songs uses a 4-5-1 progression,so it would be F-G-C chords in C major scale.F major, G major, C major, usually look for 1-3-5 first notes of a scale so you find the match for the scale you are working.
Besides that you can use 7th type of chords and several others that use more than 3 notes(triads) at a time.
All that you can find in books with GREAT details.
Hope that helps you.