Selecting sub-sessions with MIDI controller buttons

[boriu]

Dear all (and dear TiUser, above all ),

that's the picture:
I need to select different sub-sessions by pressing 10 different buttons on my master keyboard (an M-AUDIO OXYGEN 49).
I did this by assigning the buttons to the desired sub-sessions in
MIDI Controller Assignements.

The problem is that (verified at low-level) when I push a button the first time it generates "0" and the second time it generates "127", and this last do the work.
So, I have to press twice a button to load the sub-session.

I tried to solve the problem by making the button (by Enigma) to produce "127" all the time is pressed (also this, verified by MIDI-OX) but in that case the sub-session is not loaded at all.

I tried playing with MIDI Filters, but with no success.

Any hint?

[TiUser]

Hi,
thanks for your appreciation, but I'm not the unofficial Topten support... I just try to help when possible...

Your problem sounds like you're sending control change messages with the buttons and these seem to latch. See if you can deactivate this latch behavior-

Can't you assign program change messages to the buttons on your axiom?

[boriu]

Hi,
thanks for your appreciation, but I'm not the unofficial Topten support... I just try to help when possible...

Yes, I know. But You are really a reference for all of us!

Your problem sounds like you're sending control change messages with the buttons and these seem to latch. See if you can deactivate this latch behavior-

Can't you assign program change messages to the buttons on your axiom?

Reading the manual of Cantabile I suspected the problem is related to a latch behaviour, but I do not find any way to change this behavior on my Oxygen.
I will try to find some hint on the M-Audio Forum.

Thanks very much

[TiUser]

I've downloaded enigma (M-Audios universal controller editor librarian software) but it does not start - probably I'll need an axiom for that - otherwise I'd looked into that...

Try to use enigma software to assign changes to your buttons. Maybe changes can be done on the board itself too but that's usually much more cumbersome if it's possible at all...


One board I own is an Edirol PCR 300 and there are latch options for buttons and different message types you can send, not just cc but the total palette of midi commands.

In general the Edirol PCR series is a good synth action board. Velocity responds really well and aftertouch does not need brute force.


BTW. NAMM 2010 is just over and a new Roland keyboard series has being introduced - under the Cakewalk name, so to find with Cakewalk - the A xxx professional keyboards which look very similar to the older PCR with slightly changed controls and a lcd for better setup information. I guess the keybed is as good as with the PCR series.

...geeez... I start chatting... LOL

[boriu]

Try to use enigma software to assign changes to your buttons. Maybe changes can be done on the board itself too but that's usually much more cumbersome if it's possible at all...

I usually use both methods for assigning CC, but it appears that deactivating the latch behavior is not possible with Enigma.

Thanks, anyway, for your suggestions realtive to your master keyboards. I will see if I find more info on my Oxygen (it is not an Axiom... ).

Ciao

[TiUser]

Sorry for messing your keyboard modell up... but as far as I remember enigma can edit all M-Audio controllers, right?

I'ts unlucky that you can't assign midi program change to the buttons directly.

I've thought that problem over, but if your keyboard button latches you have to solve that first.

Maybe you can try assigning a midi note on/off instead if that is possible. I cant believe that this basically latches too...

[boriu]

Of course I was joking about the keyboard name...

Now I am at work, but this evening I can try to follow your suggestion.
Moreover, if I remember well, perhaps a button can be configured as a trigger to send ON when pressed and OFF when depressed. This could solve the problem...

Thanks again,

[boriu]

Just to close the discussion, as someone else in the Forum can have the same needs I have, the problem of assigning subsessions to buttons has been solved by assigning a MIDI CC 146 to two buttons, one performing a "next sub-session" command, the other "previous sub-session". This assignment makes the buttons behaving as triggers, while their default behaviour is as latch.

Thanks to TiUser for the useful discussion.

[galahadskeys]

yep. I set my Axiom buttons to basically 'play notes'. Works a treat

[TiUser]

Still ask myself if these buttons can't be set to send midi program change numbers...