I thought I had this stuff wired but in application maybe not.Moby's Sunspot (First kick drum slightly after 20 seconds)
What time sig is this?/ My hypothesis of 4/4 88bpm might not be right :(
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- KVRist
- 155 posts since 16 Apr, 2010
So I've been analyzing a few songs I thought were in 4/4 when listening to them, but when I try to recreate the beat in FL studio the groove inevitably goes out of sync. I am just trying to get the snares to line up in the following song as an example, but no matter what I do on 4/4 and 88bpm I can't seem to get it.. Maybe it's just my ms inaccuracy in starting the beat. Note: I'm doing this as a learning experience, not to steal Moby's rythm. I thought I had this stuff wired but in application maybe not.
Moby's Sunspot (First kick drum slightly after 20 seconds)
I thought I had this stuff wired but in application maybe not.Moby's Sunspot (First kick drum slightly after 20 seconds)
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 18 Oct, 2002
shanew711:
This track is indeed in 4/4 time, and 88 bpm seems right according to my metronome. Although it is not easy to tell, I believe that the 16th notes in this track are in swing time. What this means in terms of this particular drum pattern is that the kick drum that comes just before count 4, that is to say the last 16th note of count 3, occur slightly later than would otherwise be the case, making it occur closer to count 4 than it otherwise would, and also making this particular 16th note shorter than it would be if this was not in swing time. The biggest effect that swing time has on this track occurs in the piano part, giving it a kind of shuffle feel.
Baxter
This track is indeed in 4/4 time, and 88 bpm seems right according to my metronome. Although it is not easy to tell, I believe that the 16th notes in this track are in swing time. What this means in terms of this particular drum pattern is that the kick drum that comes just before count 4, that is to say the last 16th note of count 3, occur slightly later than would otherwise be the case, making it occur closer to count 4 than it otherwise would, and also making this particular 16th note shorter than it would be if this was not in swing time. The biggest effect that swing time has on this track occurs in the piano part, giving it a kind of shuffle feel.
Baxter
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melancholy man melancholy man https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=30627
- KVRist
- 30 posts since 23 Jun, 2004 from USA
Yep. Definitely 4/4 time. And close to 88 bpm. Maybe try 175 bpm or 177 bpm and change the time signature to 4/2.
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 18 Oct, 2002
shanew711:
What really determines the time signature in most popular styles of music, such as rock, blues, country, dance, etc., is that in the vast majority of the cases, the snare drum occurs on beats 2 and 4, which are often referred to as the 'back beat'. So, in this case, at 88 bpm the snares do occur on beats 2 and 4 in this particular pattern. But having said that, I do agree with melancholy man, especially if you are trying to recreate the whole track. Then it may be easier to double the bpm to around 166, making the swing time in the bass and piano would occur in 1/8th notes, and some sequencers may handle that easier (I have almost no experience with FL Studio, so I wouldn't know about it). But, then most snare drums would occur on beat 3.
Baxter
What really determines the time signature in most popular styles of music, such as rock, blues, country, dance, etc., is that in the vast majority of the cases, the snare drum occurs on beats 2 and 4, which are often referred to as the 'back beat'. So, in this case, at 88 bpm the snares do occur on beats 2 and 4 in this particular pattern. But having said that, I do agree with melancholy man, especially if you are trying to recreate the whole track. Then it may be easier to double the bpm to around 166, making the swing time in the bass and piano would occur in 1/8th notes, and some sequencers may handle that easier (I have almost no experience with FL Studio, so I wouldn't know about it). But, then most snare drums would occur on beat 3.
Baxter