house chord progression

[lozoz]

hi there, following on from this thread that i found immensely helpful:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

i've been trying to analyse some chord structures i like and work out what is being played so i can apply these techniques to my own productions but am struggling a bit with this one which i really like:

https://hypem.com/#!/item/11qdn/Lovebir ... KiNK+Remix+

the nearest i can get to it is Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bb7. i feel i'm in the right area but my chords kinda lack a little something. it feels like the step between the 2nd and 3rd chord does not quite flow as it does in the example and i can't quite work why. it kinda sounds wooden.

any pointers or advice as to what the progression is in the example would be greatly appreciated

[pensaku]

hi there, following on from this thread that i found immensely helpful:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

i've been trying to analyse some chord structures i like and work out what is being played so i can apply these techniques to my own productions but am struggling a bit with this one which i really like:

https://hypem.com/#!/item/11qdn/Lovebir ... KiNK+Remix+

the nearest i can get to it is Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bb7. i feel i'm in the right area but my chords kinda lack a little something. it feels like the step between the 2nd and 3rd chord does not quite flow as it does in the example and i can't quite work why. it kinda sounds wooden.

any pointers or advice as to what the progression is in the example would be greatly appreciated

Try to put a drum part and put some reverb to the hihat. You also need a compressor.

It would sound different depending on what kind of drum synth you have so you need to adjust its volumes.


What I'm saying is... the FRONT sound isn't the chord. It's drum.

[lozoz]

Try to put a drum part and put some reverb to the hihat. You also need a compressor.

It would sound different depending on what kind of drum synth you have so you need to adjust its volumes.


What I'm saying is... the FRONT sound isn't the chord. It's drum.

sorry pensaku i don't quite follow... do you mean the stabs/keys have been played on a drum synth and are not actually chords?

cheers

[cosmicdawn]

No, I guess what he meant, while not very helpful, is that it's the drums that makes this track.
And I can agree. The chords aren't that important in this particular track. (I listened to the two first minutes only)
I can't give you the chords, but I think I only heard two or three chords.
I could be wrong, but I think you are overanalyzing this. So many chords could work well with the same pattern.

[pensaku]

No, I guess what he meant, while not very helpful, is that it's the drums that makes this track.
And I can agree. The chords aren't that important in this particular track. (I listened to the two first minutes only)
I can't give you the chords, but I think I only heard two or three chords.
I could be wrong, but I think you are overanalyzing this. So many chords could work well with the same pattern.

Thank you for translating my language.

Added to that, drum in that music is like a LEAD SINGER in the rock band.
And chords are... kind of guitar player.

I only heard 15 seconds repeated 4 times where chord is so I don't know about rest of the music...

[lozoz]

No, I guess what he meant, while not very helpful, is that it's the drums that makes this track.
And I can agree. The chords aren't that important in this particular track. (I listened to the two first minutes only)
I can't give you the chords, but I think I only heard two or three chords.
I could be wrong, but I think you are overanalyzing this. So many chords could work well with the same pattern.

yeah sure, i agree too, the drums are foremost but although it's simple i think that chord progression is very effective not only rhythmically but also tonally. if you put a major chord progression over those beats it's obviously gonna be a whole different thing and prob one that i wouldn't like as much. they add a certain tension that i find appealing.

i've got a real thing for those minor9 chords and i'm pretty sure that's what they are:

Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9

am i correct or even in the right ball park? my ears seem to get worse the more i listen...

also, if i was to play a melody over that progression would i use the key of C minor?

thanks again, i really appreciate your responses.

[pensaku]

No, I guess what he meant, while not very helpful, is that it's the drums that makes this track.
And I can agree. The chords aren't that important in this particular track. (I listened to the two first minutes only)
I can't give you the chords, but I think I only heard two or three chords.
I could be wrong, but I think you are overanalyzing this. So many chords could work well with the same pattern.

yeah sure, i agree too, the drums are foremost but although it's simple i think that chord progression is very effective not only rhythmically but also tonally. if you put a major chord progression over those beats it's obviously gonna be a whole different thing and prob one that i wouldn't like as much. they add a certain tension that i find appealing.

i've got a real thing for those minor9 chords and i'm pretty sure that's what they are:

Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9

am i correct or even in the right ball park? my ears seem to get worse the more i listen...

also, if i was to play a melody over that progression would i use the key of C minor?

thanks again, i really appreciate your responses.

Few reasons you are confused about this:

- Synths has already some harmonics incorporated into them. So depending on which synth, every SAME chord sounds different.
- What you are hearing is DIFFERENCE between DRUM AND SYNTH(CHORD). For example: 5-3 = 2. 5 is drum, synth is 3.

Hope it helps.

And about melody over that progression... trust your instinct.

And finally.... don't try to copy. Copying something is WAAAAAAY harder than creating a new thing.


And, because I'm Korean, I don't understand western Chord system. Though I know, mathematically, instinctively, how its structured, not exactly, but vaguely.


If you really want to know which *chord* it is, try to play a 440Hz sine wave as a background as you would do with Metronome. 440Hz is A.

[lozoz]

Few reasons you are confused about this:

- Synths has already some harmonics incorporated into them. So depending on which synth, every SAME chord sounds different.
- What you are hearing is DIFFERENCE between DRUM AND SYNTH(CHORD). For example: 5-3 = 2. 5 is drum, synth is 3.

Hope it helps.

And about melody over that progression... trust your instinct.

And finally.... don't try to copy. Copying something is WAAAAAAY harder than creating a new thing.


And, because I'm Korean, I don't understand western Chord system. Though I know, mathematically, instinctively, how its structured, not exactly, but vaguely.


If you really want to know which *chord* it is, try to play a 440Hz sine wave as a background as you would do with Metronome. 440Hz is A.

thanks pensaku, i appreciate what you're saying, it's kinda common sense and i understand but it doesn't really help me. instinct is not theory and that's what i'm here for.

regarding the copying bit, that's not what i'm doing either. i'm using a piece of music that i like as a practical example to learn a bit of chord theory and train my ears. i'm not asking about the drums or how to replicate the synth sound, i'm talking specifically about the chord progression.

so put simply...

i've identified the chord progression in the above piece of music as:

Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9

can anyone tell me if i'm correct or point me in the right direction if i'm wrong and also give me some advice regarding a good key to use whilst improvising a melody over the top? how's that?

cheers!

[pensaku]

Few reasons you are confused about this:

- Synths has already some harmonics incorporated into them. So depending on which synth, every SAME chord sounds different.
- What you are hearing is DIFFERENCE between DRUM AND SYNTH(CHORD). For example: 5-3 = 2. 5 is drum, synth is 3.

Hope it helps.

And about melody over that progression... trust your instinct.

And finally.... don't try to copy. Copying something is WAAAAAAY harder than creating a new thing.


And, because I'm Korean, I don't understand western Chord system. Though I know, mathematically, instinctively, how its structured, not exactly, but vaguely.


If you really want to know which *chord* it is, try to play a 440Hz sine wave as a background as you would do with Metronome. 440Hz is A.

thanks pensaku, i appreciate what you're saying, it's kinda common sense and i understand but it doesn't really help me. instinct is not theory and that's what i'm here for.

regarding the copying bit, that's not what i'm doing either. i'm using a piece of music that i like as a practical example to learn a bit of chord theory and train my ears. i'm not asking about the drums or how to replicate the synth sound, i'm talking specifically about the chord progression.

so put simply...

i've identified the chord progression in the above piece of music as:

Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9

can anyone tell me if i'm correct or point me in the right direction if i'm wrong and also give me some advice regarding a good key to use whilst improvising a melody over the top? how's that?

cheers!

Yeah I said what I said because first note didn't sounded like Cm9...

I maybe wrong and you are right but DRUM makes kind of BASE FREQUENCY. and.... based on THAT frequency it might sound like Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9 but when I played REAL Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9 it didn't sound same not a bit but I don't know about chords.... that was why I told you to play a 440Hz sine wave to compare. If you are talking about "implied" melody line, you need more than just a chord. It's never the same. Similarity in chord wouldn't matter that chord doesn't FEEL the same, it sounds out of tune compared to that music.


But, I really want you to consider first BUILD a drum part and based on that drum part try to replicate the FEELING of the music not actual chord progression. That way it will be easier because every drum has some sense of frequency in it even though it doesn't seem like it has any pitch, and if that pitch is different, if you are gonna make the same feeling, chord wouldn't matter, but RELATIVE chord based on drum sound would matter.

It doesn't have to be a drum part, it could be something else too.

You like the chord progression, so first build a base part to substract from and use that chord then you will get the same feeling. If you are gonna make the same feeling without base part, you will gonna need whole another chord progression.

That's all I can say. Cheers.


Oh wait... I can say more.

Consider MIDIFILE in this thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=302272


That is CHORD OF CHORDS. I've played 4 chords simultaneously, and how's that for the theory. It would never be like Cm9 Cm9 Dm9 Fm9 Bbm9 but something like C+D+E C+D+E D+E+F F+G+A B+C+D

But if we use this notation.... instrument players will be pissed....




AND it took me a while....

YES that's the chord. Implied melody. But if you use only that chord progresson, where's all the fun? I guess it sounds great though... Oh yeah... you are gonna play another melody line WITH it.... please post your music later and do tell if that worked.. lol