Chords on the circle of fifths

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Hello,

This is probably a stupid post but I do it anyway.

I know the basics of the circle of fifths but I could never find a decent picture which shows how the chords of a scale are placed on the circle. So I made a picture myself:

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On this picture you can see the chords for C major and A minor. They have both the same chords since A minor is just the aeolian mode of C major.

The chords of C major are:

I = C
ii = Dm
iii = Em
IV = F
V= G
vi = Am
vii°= B°

The chords for A minor are the same but the Roman numbers are different:

i = Am
ii° = B°
III = C
iv = Dm
v = Em
VI = F
VII = G

All major chords are colored blue, the minors are red and the diminished is yellow.

Weird that I could find something like this on internet.

Maybe it helps people to understand the connection between major an minor.

Or if you, for instance, make the same chart for G major/E minor, you could see which chords are in common. with C major/A minor.

Greetz,
manducator

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The Chord Wheel book has a similar thing.

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Yes, I have that one but it's not for minor.

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fatwhitelump wrote:The Chord Wheel book has a similar thing.

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Why is the D and E highlighted here but not in the OP's wheel? Thanks for the help in understanding this!
John
"B4serenity"

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Hello John,

What you can't see in the picture is that the lines around the D and E chord are in another color. They are grey instead of the rest, which are black.

The D and E chords are II and III chords. These chords aren't part of a major scale (major scale has ii and iii) so these chords are derived.

II is a dominant chord of V and III is a dominant chord of VI.

What are dominant chords? Well, the most wellknown dominant chord progression is V-I.

When you sing the last sentence of 'Happy Birthday' (happy birthday to... you), everybody knows what the 'you' will sound like (the I-chord) because the word 'to' (V-chord) leads you to that I-chord. Even to people who never heard the song. the V and I chord are strong related to each other. V is the dominant of I.

Now, like V is dominant to I, II is dominant to V and III is dominant to VI. it means that putting the II chord before a II chord sounds 'logic' and putting III before VI sound logic too.

Such chords are called 'secondary dominants'. I guess that makes the V chord the primary dominant.

So II and III don't belong to the scale but can spice up your progression in a good sounding way.

I hope that wasn't too to confusing.

Greetz,
manducator

P.S.: I own the chord wheel and I would advice you to buy it when you're learning music theory. It's a 12 page book with explanation of the basic theory (like I just did) and on front of the book you have the chord wheel itself which you can move around to see all chords of all major scales. It's not that pricey:

http://www.chordwheel.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Chord-Wheel-Ultim ... 0634021427

Amazon is cheaper than buying it from the creators themselves.

Too bad there doesn't exist something like that for minor scales. But you can make it yourself as I proved in my first post.

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Hey All,

Great thread here on chord theory. It's a very important part of songwriting and understanding music in general.

I will be releasing a minor version of The Chord Wheel and there will soon be an iPhone app (but beware, there is an iPhone chordwheelpro that is not The Chord Wheel and is trying to pass it's self off as one but it's really only a circle of fifths). Manducator is right that you can buy it cheaper from Amazon than from me directly and that's fine with me. I sell a lot more from the stores in a week than I do from my website in almost a year.

Thanks,
Jim
Jim Fleser
The Chord Wheel

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jfleser wrote:I will be releasing a minor version of The Chord Wheel
Woohoo!! When?

Looking forward to that!

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It's times like this I wished that I knew something about theory. :cry:
"Music is my religion"

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You can learn it all here for free:

www.musictheory.net

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manducator wrote:You can learn it all here for free:

www.musictheory.net
That was a pretty darn good site, yes. Reading notation isn't my strongest suit, but perhaps I can learn. What I don't quite understand is how to read the notes with either a sharp or a flat before it.. Atleast with some speed to it!

Thanks alot! :love:
"Music is my religion"

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Guitarslayer,

If music is your religion, than music theory should be your bible.

btw, here is a book for free about music theory:

http://cnx.org/content/col10363/latest/

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I had never even heard of this. What! I really need a better method for song writing, hope this is it. I ordered a book on ebay. It hurt me wallet a little but it was worth the pain. I like topical methods like this, more complex ones cause me a head ache. Then I have to use a topical analgesic.
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jfleser wrote:Hey All,

Great thread here on chord theory. It's a very important part of songwriting and understanding music in general.

I will be releasing a minor version of The Chord Wheel and there will soon be an iPhone app (but beware, there is an iPhone chordwheelpro that is not The Chord Wheel and is trying to pass it's self off as one but it's really only a circle of fifths). Manducator is right that you can buy it cheaper from Amazon than from me directly and that's fine with me. I sell a lot more from the stores in a week than I do from my website in almost a year.

Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim.

Please let us know when the iphone app is available.

Thanks.

BBC :wheee:

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never have understood this stuff. need to get down with it
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