KVR Audio

chenz216 · Post by **chenz216** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:56 pm

I mean there is only kick and bass in this drop and its sounds so fat , wide and BOMBING
How can i achieve that ?

move to 1:12

Thx ahead

MrMagneto · Post by **MrMagneto** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:08 am

As you said, it's a kick and a bass (maybe a layered one). It's all about chosing the right sounds and a big amount of compression.

chenz216 · Post by **chenz216** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:14 am

MrMagneto wrote:As you said, it's a kick and a bass (maybe a layered one). It's all about chosing the right sounds and a big amount of compression.

as u said that, its quite easy to make but when i try its just a huge different.
this is my version i hope u can direct me to the problems .

http://soundcloud.com/chen-zokaim/test

farfadetfarfelu · Post by **farfadetfarfelu** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:53 am

I'm not really into this type of music so i guess i have no idea what i'm talking about but i'll say for starters, your kick has a lot less low end than the original one.
Also your kick or whatever is layered with it seems to have a reverb with lots of highs, does not help (that's after 0"24 in your soundclip).
Your bassline sounds more like it's in a higher range than a bassline at least compared to the bass at 1"20 in the first clip (transpose it lower maybe or use a thicker bass sound).
Plus the bassline in the first clip is simpler, it works together with the main beat. Maybe it's even tuned to the beat like drummers tune their drumkit to certain notes. Your "bass" is more rythmically complicated (are you using delay ?) which makes it less "in your face" (but it's fine if you are going for a different approach).
Plus i'd say your reverby sounds on top also contribute to the distraction because they are more upfront and take more space than in the original.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:56 am

Some excellent advice already. Check out the kick + bass video tutorial someone posted recently. Original thread here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5039340

Everything you need to know here:

Bhan · Post by **Bhan** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:15 am

I couldn't past 2:00 minutes of the music - wow does that stuff bore me to tears. Funny though, I could look at the u-tube for hours.

chenz216 · Post by **chenz216** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:07 pm

farfadetfarfelu wrote:I'm not really into this type of music so i guess i have no idea what i'm talking about but i'll say for starters, your kick has a lot less low end than the original one.
Also your kick or whatever is layered with it seems to have a reverb with lots of highs, does not help (that's after 0"24 in your soundclip).
Your bassline sounds more like it's in a higher range than a bassline at least compared to the bass at 1"20 in the first clip (transpose it lower maybe or use a thicker bass sound).
Plus the bassline in the first clip is simpler, it works together with the main beat. Maybe it's even tuned to the beat like drummers tune their drumkit to certain notes. Your "bass" is more rythmically complicated (are you using delay ?) which makes it less "in your face" (but it's fine if you are going for a different approach).
Plus i'd say your reverby sounds on top also contribute to the distraction because they are more upfront and take more space than in the original.

First of all thank you
second , how can i get such a heavy low end ?

declassified · Post by **declassified** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:50 pm

You said that "there is only kick and bass in this drop", but there's also that white noise swoosh which is cut up into triplets and helps to create a groove. And then there's a highpassed, reversed bass "echo" on every off-beat. And a reverberated chord on the right. Listen closely, those details matter a lot. The fact that they're in there makes the difference between a "simple, cheap sound" and a "simple, fat sound".

If you watch some of the Future Music or Computer Music "In The Studio" videos you'll see that producers à la Tiesto have 40+ tracks per project. That's where the fatness is coming from, really. Layers and layers of sounds.

The bass sound itself is really simple, make sure you don't have a lot of top end in it, and crank up the volume. I mean you have the room in the mix to make it really loud. Also, the bass has some unison or stereo spread on it, it doesn't come only from the center.

For the kick, make sure that it is ducking all your background texture sounds etc. using sidechain. That will make the kick seem much more powerful because it seems to "push everything else back".

qa2pir · Post by **qa2pir** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:09 pm

you must first learn to abolish your artistic judgment
so you can sit for way too long time tweaking something that's not even intricate, for perfect impact

let people hear those syncopations over and over again don't you love how the snare just pops out right there

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:14 pm

the timing in your attempt isn't right.

timbesamusca · Post by **timbesamusca** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:21 pm

chenz216 wrote:
MrMagneto wrote:As you said, it's a kick and a bass (maybe a layered one). It's all about chosing the right sounds and a big amount of compression.
as u said that, its quite easy to make but when i try its just a huge different.
this is my version i hope u can direct me to the problems .

http://soundcloud.com/chen-zokaim/test

You might want to highpass filter the bassline that you have now and add a sine wave beneath it and let that one take care of the low end in the bass line. There's also a bit about bass layering in the video which ZenPunkHippy linked to.

chenz216 · Post by **chenz216** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:51 am

Look im barely understand what u said in this post.
Btw i always hipassed and always is a sidechain for and instrument or sample in the track but i think this is not the problem.
The problem is that i cant get my sound FULLER that even if he played without the kick or any background instrument its will still sound good.
So idk what stands behind thats, what is it ? about compression ? about layering and if it does about layering i cant just layer cuz the sound will clip ,than how would i do it ?
and many stuff like that, such as reverbs , delays and more ...
So what is it ???
and thanks for ur time and attention

timbesamusca · Post by **timbesamusca** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:15 pm

chenz216 wrote:Look im barely understand what u said in this post.
Btw i always hipassed and always is a sidechain for and instrument or sample in the track but i think this is not the problem.
The problem is that i cant get my sound FULLER that even if he played without the kick or any background instrument its will still sound good.
So idk what stands behind thats, what is it ? about compression ? about layering and if it does about layering i cant just layer cuz the sound will clip ,than how would i do it ?
and many stuff like that, such as reverbs , delays and more ...
So what is it ???
and thanks for ur time and attention

Well, it wouldn't clip if you turn down the volume of course...

The bass sound in your example misses a lot of low end, you could try boosting the lows of that sound with an eq but that probably wouldn't work too well.

So instead of doing that just add a low, mono sinewave (which plays the same pattern) beneath that.

Now you can blend in more (or less) low end by turning the fader up (or down) on the sine wave channel.

It's all in the video, check out chapter 6+7 (but copy the same bass pattern instead of creating different bass patterns like I do in the video).

What is the magic behind this ?