Ableton Live sounds louder than Logic Pro 9 ?!

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ste0mac
KVRer
3 posts since 16 Aug, 2012

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:27 pm

Hi

hello

few days ago I created the same music in Logic and Ableton Live with the same plugins the same notes equal volumes, all the same ... and in the end the sound of Logic Pro sounds low with little punch while Ableton Live sound with high power and more present. ..

Why? Does anyone have or had the same problem?

Thank you ;)

EnGee
KVRAF
6186 posts since 7 Oct, 2005

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:08 pm

ste0mac wrote:
Why?
IMO the reason is "You".
ste0mac wrote:
Does anyone have or had the same problem?
I think some guys have such problems with most of the hosts. I'm not one of them :P

I believe in "1+1=2", so for me there is no difference in the sound quality with the same settings between all digital hosts. If I were you, I would test the difference in the workflow rather than the sound quality :-)

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billcarroll
KVRAF
1904 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:55 pm

Everybody knows Ableton is louder, with better audio quality of course :hihi:

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mcnoone
KVRAF
5994 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:17 pm

You might want to check your preferences settings out.
I did have some very slight differences between Live and Logic8, but it was due to latency, and other settings which were different between them.
There is definitely output level differences though.
When I do sounds in Live where they are just below the red peaking line, these will be at a much lower level in Logic, giving much more headroom...but no sound quality differences that I can hear, just level differences. That's normal though.

hibidy
KVRAF
42538 posts since 21 Dec, 2005

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:49 pm

billcarroll wrote:Everybody knows Ableton is louder, with higher fidelity of course :hihi:
fixed

hibidy
KVRAF
42538 posts since 21 Dec, 2005

Post Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:52 pm

Another thing could be pan laws. I dunno, iirc correctly, live 6 didn't have pan laws. If it still doesn't (or I just didn't know they were there) and you DO use -3/etc in logic then that could be it.

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mcnoone
KVRAF
5994 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:47 am

hibidy wrote:Another thing could be pan laws. I dunno, iirc correctly, live 6 didn't have pan laws. If it still doesn't (or I just didn't know they were there) and you DO use -3/etc in logic then that could be it.
Yep.
I noticed a difference between Live and Logic with that.
Logic has this kinda wider stereo range than Live imo, which is just with the monitoring, and has no effect on quality of audio, or similar though.

Raddler1
KVRist
170 posts since 17 Mar, 2012 from Montreal

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:39 am

I agree with the OP. Ableton is more present imo...., but for some reason, i like the final sound of my tracks made in logic.

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billcarroll
KVRAF
1904 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:19 am

Attempting to do the same track in Logic and then in Live this year, my immediate impression was ...

- The track in Logic sounded like it had more depth somehow
- Live sounded a bit tighter and in my face

I tried my best to get all settings the same, but this was by no means scientific. I did the test for me.

Ultimately I decided to work in Live because my workflow is much faster, and while my results sounded different, Live still sounded great. You can probably tweak away until you get both DAWs sounding pretty darn similar, but to me the results I get do sound different.

I still miss Logic's built in plugins, and I think Logic's timeline is nicer than Live's. At the end of the day you could go back and forth forever, but there is something to be said for picking one DAW and learning the heck out of it. You'll learn to make it sound pretty much any way you want.

ObsoleteAcc99
Banned
22470 posts since 5 Sep, 2001

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:31 am

All i know is that if the OP is using the 64 bit beta of live, that could explain the anomaly, as it a has super encrypted 4096 bit analogue warmer under the hood.

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Dean Aka Nekro
KVRAF
6179 posts since 4 Oct, 2007 from Escaped At Last

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:56 am

You did not export the audio with normalize and other stuff in the render options list on?

LawrenceF
KVRAF
6123 posts since 4 Dec, 2004

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:33 am

ttoz wrote:All i know is that if the OP is using the 64 bit beta of live, that could explain the anomaly, as it a has super encrypted 4096 bit analogue warmer under the hood.
Hey ttoz... I recently saw someone here call you "Theo". Are you the same Theo who does those amazingly fast midi drawing orchestral compositions on YouTube, Theo Krueger? (pardon if I spelled it wrong)

Or is that just a coinkidink that you two are both named Theo?

ObsoleteAcc99
Banned
22470 posts since 5 Sep, 2001

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:53 am

coincidence i am afraid.. my last name starts with M, hence my nick, TheodoreM at other places.

robogone
KVRAF
21375 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:19 pm

Maybe the answer is...turn up/down the volume to get it where you want it?

rp314
KVRAF
2790 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from The city by the bay

Post Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:33 pm

EnGee wrote: I think some guys have such problems with most of the hosts. I'm not one of them :P
Which is the basic problem with making this kind of inquiry at KVR.

If forced to use any of the major DAWs around today, would any serious KVRian encounter real problems with the quality of the sound, volume, etc.?

That said, if you've got DAW envy and think you've found serious issues with the other guys, it might just do the trick... :hihi:

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