Insane upgrade price to Superior from EZ right now, so question, can Superior...
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- KVRian
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I'm not sure about the EZ expansion compatibility, exactly. I've bought a couple for SD2.. and they seem to work well. Apparently, with an EZ in SD2 you get more control over certain aspects of the content, than you would within EZ Drummer itself.
I believe the main reason for the cost difference between the two expansion types.. would be the amount of sampled content you get in an EZX v.s. an SDX.
The EZX's I have, have all the samples contained on just one disc each. The one SDX I have, uses 5 discs. I think this is about what you would expect from the rest of the SDX libraries. Maybe someone else can confirm this.
I believe the main reason for the cost difference between the two expansion types.. would be the amount of sampled content you get in an EZX v.s. an SDX.
The EZX's I have, have all the samples contained on just one disc each. The one SDX I have, uses 5 discs. I think this is about what you would expect from the rest of the SDX libraries. Maybe someone else can confirm this.
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- KVRAF
- 4468 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
for the first question (about Superior being able to load EZ libraries): i believe so.
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as for BFD vs Superior, it all comes down to personal preference. i have BFD myself, but i've seen Superior in action at my friends'. i much prefer BFD interface and sounds over Superior interface and sounds (aside from maybe bleeding UI - Superior's bleeds make much more sense and are far more intuitive), but maybe that's confirmation bias 
both can do great drum tracks - it's not like my friend's drums sound any worse than mine (we both suck, so take it with a grain of salt ). if you're curious about BFD but don't want the full investment, i'd suggest looking at BFD Eco - it's somewhat akin to EZDrummer in terms of being a cut-down version of the full software. All the libraries are compatible between the two so if you decide to later upgrade to full BFD, you'd have a good price (and make sure you shop around, maybe you'd find a good discount on JRRshop or something).
both can do great drum tracks - it's not like my friend's drums sound any worse than mine (we both suck, so take it with a grain of salt ). if you're curious about BFD but don't want the full investment, i'd suggest looking at BFD Eco - it's somewhat akin to EZDrummer in terms of being a cut-down version of the full software. All the libraries are compatible between the two so if you decide to later upgrade to full BFD, you'd have a good price (and make sure you shop around, maybe you'd find a good discount on JRRshop or something).
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- KVRian
- 616 posts since 8 May, 2012 from Sydney, Australia
Superior Drummer can load all EZX expansions and use all the midi files. I'm running a mix of EZX and SDX kits and they all work flawlessly. I still own EZdrummer, but never use it now that I have Superior. SDXs are higher quality (quality is maybe not the right word) samples and are not processed or at least not processed as much. They take a little bit more effort to get the sound you want, but they're much more versatile and sound great. The Superior Drummer interface is easy to grasp.
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i've seen the "Custom & Vintage" SDX in action - i liked it a lot. i believe they have audio demos on their website, no?
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Hi Theo,
Yes - Superior works with all the (EZDrummer) EZX's and MIDI files.
The difference between SDX (for Superior) and EZX is that the SDX are 24 bit, *lots* bigger (so more rr samples and more articulations etc), and they are pretty much unprocessed - as mentioned already. This makes them completely flexible.
I'm gonna go with Burillo and say my favourite SDX is the C&V one. It's the "driest" of them all ie it doesn't have as many "ambient" (room) mics as some of the others - but I love the kits. Check them out on the TT site.
"Metal Foundry" is also great for rock drums (don't let the name put you off, it's just unprocessed drums) and you can do bigger kits with it (get plenty of RAM).
Mind you - that's the thing with Superior - you can mix and match pieces from the different SDX and EZX packs. As long as you don't worry about the mixed "room" files (just keep everything reasonably dry and use your own "room" reverb. Or knock yourself out and check out their video that shows how to fake room ambiences from one SDX into another) you can add as many pieces to any kit as you like. Then you get complete control over the MIDI and can even stack sounds or use one eg for vol 0-64 and another for 65-127 - there are lots of possibilities.
I don't know any other products -but Superior is certainly great
Yes - Superior works with all the (EZDrummer) EZX's and MIDI files.
The difference between SDX (for Superior) and EZX is that the SDX are 24 bit, *lots* bigger (so more rr samples and more articulations etc), and they are pretty much unprocessed - as mentioned already. This makes them completely flexible.
I'm gonna go with Burillo and say my favourite SDX is the C&V one. It's the "driest" of them all ie it doesn't have as many "ambient" (room) mics as some of the others - but I love the kits. Check them out on the TT site.
"Metal Foundry" is also great for rock drums (don't let the name put you off, it's just unprocessed drums) and you can do bigger kits with it (get plenty of RAM).
Mind you - that's the thing with Superior - you can mix and match pieces from the different SDX and EZX packs. As long as you don't worry about the mixed "room" files (just keep everything reasonably dry and use your own "room" reverb. Or knock yourself out and check out their video that shows how to fake room ambiences from one SDX into another) you can add as many pieces to any kit as you like. Then you get complete control over the MIDI and can even stack sounds or use one eg for vol 0-64 and another for 65-127 - there are lots of possibilities.
I don't know any other products -but Superior is certainly great
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- KVRian
- 616 posts since 8 May, 2012 from Sydney, Australia
I own Metal Foundry SDX and Metalheads, Drumkit from Hell, Electronic and Classic EZXs.
Metal Foundry is a huge collection. I think there are about 7 kits with pretty good variety. It's very raw/clean and crisp. I would definitely get Drumkit from Hell, not so much for the drums (nothing wrong with them, but covered in Metal Foundry, etc.), but it includes a lot of midi grooves, a lot more than the other expansions I've bought and it's very useful stuff. I've used Metalheads the least and the midi isn't the most extensive. The included kit is also very good in Superior Drummer and there is some included midi, but I use the midi that comes with Drumkit from Hell the most by far.
Metal Foundry is a huge collection. I think there are about 7 kits with pretty good variety. It's very raw/clean and crisp. I would definitely get Drumkit from Hell, not so much for the drums (nothing wrong with them, but covered in Metal Foundry, etc.), but it includes a lot of midi grooves, a lot more than the other expansions I've bought and it's very useful stuff. I've used Metalheads the least and the midi isn't the most extensive. The included kit is also very good in Superior Drummer and there is some included midi, but I use the midi that comes with Drumkit from Hell the most by far.
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- KVRAF
- 2158 posts since 11 Oct, 2007 from Almanya
Yup, SD is EZD on steroids.
It can read, play, etc. all the EZDrummer expansions ... plus it can do a lot more.
What makes SD win against all other drum samplers every time for me, are the articulations. The snare for examples has right hand & left hand samples (they can alter automatically), you can play one note and produce a flam, another note to make a rim-shot, the next one will initiate a roll, one more will make a rough... and that's just the snare.
Having so many articulations gives you unequaled power to sculpt something that sounds realistic, when done right, much more than EZDrummer or XLN etc. could.
The others will work just fine for Pop and Rock, okay, but they're slow and lazy playing styles. Bring some speed and variations in there, looking at Jazz and Metal, that's where they all fail - except for SD.
Also a big plus: all the samples are provided "clean", unprocessed. So they sound just like out of the console. If they don't thump, snap, "ROCK" or simply work out ... you know you're doing something wrong.
You can use the SD-integrated mixer to pre-bus the mics and control the bleed of the drums to the various microphones. I for example like strong Kick and Snare on the Room mics, but no Brass and little Kick/Snare on the Tom mics.
If you have several expansions, no matter if EZX or SDX, you can mix drums between them using the X-Drum feature. I admit, it's a bit of a hassle, but once you figure it out, you can have the Brass from the Avatar, the Kick and Toms from Metal Foundry, that great snare from Metal Machine, and the cutesy Cowbell that comes in one of the others ... all set up to play as one kit.
I could go into much more details here, but I'm simply too lazy to write about them all. ^^ Big thumbs up for SD from me, I've been through a lot of others (Slate 3+4, NI, XLN, Battery, ...) and when it comes to modern metal -but still somewhat realistic sounds with all sorts of articulations- SD is the clear winner. In my opinion.
It can read, play, etc. all the EZDrummer expansions ... plus it can do a lot more.
What makes SD win against all other drum samplers every time for me, are the articulations. The snare for examples has right hand & left hand samples (they can alter automatically), you can play one note and produce a flam, another note to make a rim-shot, the next one will initiate a roll, one more will make a rough... and that's just the snare.
Having so many articulations gives you unequaled power to sculpt something that sounds realistic, when done right, much more than EZDrummer or XLN etc. could.
The others will work just fine for Pop and Rock, okay, but they're slow and lazy playing styles. Bring some speed and variations in there, looking at Jazz and Metal, that's where they all fail - except for SD.
Also a big plus: all the samples are provided "clean", unprocessed. So they sound just like out of the console. If they don't thump, snap, "ROCK" or simply work out ... you know you're doing something wrong.
You can use the SD-integrated mixer to pre-bus the mics and control the bleed of the drums to the various microphones. I for example like strong Kick and Snare on the Room mics, but no Brass and little Kick/Snare on the Tom mics.
If you have several expansions, no matter if EZX or SDX, you can mix drums between them using the X-Drum feature. I admit, it's a bit of a hassle, but once you figure it out, you can have the Brass from the Avatar, the Kick and Toms from Metal Foundry, that great snare from Metal Machine, and the cutesy Cowbell that comes in one of the others ... all set up to play as one kit.
I could go into much more details here, but I'm simply too lazy to write about them all. ^^ Big thumbs up for SD from me, I've been through a lot of others (Slate 3+4, NI, XLN, Battery, ...) and when it comes to modern metal -but still somewhat realistic sounds with all sorts of articulations- SD is the clear winner. In my opinion.
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- KVRAF
- 4468 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
it's true that BFD doesn't have left/right hand articulations, but that's because there's no discernible differences between them, aside from playing at slightly lower velocities. all the articulations are still there, especially if you take some of the extensions such as Jazz&Funk - there's rods, mallets, sticks and brushes, all in different articulations such as rimshots, drags etc. BFD is really great in that aspect as well, especially combined with Jamstix. IOW, the praise the previous poster has for SD applies to BFD as well. keeping it fair & balanced!
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- 2158 posts since 11 Oct, 2007 from Almanya
To keep it fair and balanced: I have never gotten into BFD, so I can't comment on that. SD was cheaper.Burillo wrote:IOW, the praise the previous poster has for SD applies to BFD as well. keeping it fair & balanced!
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