wood or stone building for studio....

[psychoxkps]

hello dudes..

please, what u suggest? for studio building?

i mean - what have better acoustics? wood or stone..

for clarification in my speaking issues i mean wood or stone, two basiciests types of buildings if iam not totally stupid:D

now iam don't thinking about how much dB will be in out of building..

ps: i want to put acoustic panels but i think it isn't all..

so thank you very much for your big help..

hope you understands:)

[Diego_C]

I learnt on this

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Handbook-A ... 0071603328

(mine was in italian indeed ) may be useful to you too if you want to dig in the matter.
Cheers

[psychoxkps]

sorry, really don't need to buy anything for this one question.. i know what acoustic panels i like:) please, what u learned from that book?? thank you....

[kritikon]

hello dudes..

please, what u suggest? for studio building?

i mean - what have better acoustics? wood or stone..

for clarification in my speaking issues i mean wood or stone, two basiciests types of buildings if iam not totally stupid:D

now iam don't thinking about how much dB will be in out of building..

ps: i want to put acoustic panels but i think it isn't all..

so thank you very much for your big help..

hope you understands:)

Whichever one you either prefer, or is cheaper. Stone will give you a better sound insulation from scratch, but if you build with wood, you simply use a far higher than building spec insulation. You don't even need to use rockwool and stuff like that nowadays - there are quite a few synthetic insulation products that are designed for noise reduction. Making the walls thicker would help too. As for the sound properties of wood/stone - if you build with wood, you're going to have plaster board lining anyway, so the sonic properties aren't that much different, although stone fascias are naturally more reflective than plaster board. In many countries, the practice is to plaster over bare brick/stone - if you're in one of those countries, then not much difference in reflectivity whichever way you go.

After having moved here and got used to wooden buildings, it bemuses me now when I see all these building programmes on UK telly where they plaster over plaster board. A waste of good money - here, you just Gib-stop the joins and save thousands, and the finish and durability is just the same. Even now brick shell houses are becoming more common - the walls are still plaster board and still Gib-stopped inside. Seems to me that builders are fleecing customers back home...We built this house coming up to 2 yrs ago - all Gib-stopped and we live in an earthquake country - not a single crack in the walls or ceiling.

In terms of speed of build, wooden is far quicker. Especially now that pre-made frames are so common.

[psychoxkps]

so you telling me use stone.. and yes it is expensivest and slower to build but that acoustics are better and use some simple square room is the best.. very thank you kritikon.. I thinked it but I thinked also wood (I will use wood also in the inside, not plaster board) gives some nice smearing.. I too saw some smearing acoustics panels so I thinked it can have better point(in Slovakia no earthquakes) but I don't know what points.. i mean - i don't like smeared sound but maybe in production it can have some point? really don't know.. is wood making sound smeared? and is that good for something? thank you masters..)

[tehlord]

After having moved here and got used to wooden buildings, it bemuses me now when I see all these building programmes on UK telly where they plaster over plaster board. A waste of good money - here, you just Gib-stop the joins and save thousands, and the finish and durability is just the same.

Oh it really isn't. If you bang a chair into a plasterboard wall it will dent. Do the same with a plastered wall and it wont. Plaster is multitudes stronger, and I also think if it's done well it's a far superior finish.

[xoxos]

so your concern is what it sounds like inside and not about noise leakage. and security is not an issue.

these structures are preexistent? rather than asking which material is better, i would consider which space has better acoustics to start with.

if they're not built already, why are you considering a square space? two sets of parallel reflective surface = standing waves.. i'd think a parabola would be preferred.

[psychoxkps]

oh xoxos.. you telling me if I use acoustic panels it dosnt matter from what is building? that can be true.. can I repeat question please?

I saw some acoustic panels for smearing.. diffusors.. and maybe if u tell me if wood do smear, diffusion maybe I use that smearing, diffusors acoustic panels but I cant imagine positives..

or that really don't matter? just do it what is better non for acoustics and place acoustics panels? or for what people uses smearing, diffusors panels?

thanks for your replies this and next:)

[kritikon]

Wooden panelling definitely has its own characteristics. Personally I've never really liked the accoustics in wooden rooms. You can get an idea how it sounds if you have access to some kind of h/w reverb (or maybe go try one out in a music store?) Most decent h/w reverb units have presets for tiled, stone and wooden rooms, different sizes etc. Wooden rooms can sound a bit boxy to me. Not sure how to describe it, it's not quite dull (because varnished wood is reflective) but it sounds muted somehow. Another way is to hunt down some IRs of wooden rooms - there are a few sites with things like Lexicon IRs - can't remember if they have the wooden room IRs included but they might - then use it over something like a dry drumbeat. Personally I wouldn't be wood panelling a studio, although obviously there's the looks and the ease of doing it. I have no problem with a wood build.

If I were building from scratch, I'd probably build stone rather than wood, and not plaster the inside walls - if you leave bare brick (or even better - stone - then you have uneven surfaces which will diffuse sound a little bit better. Probably not much, but a little). And Xoxos made a good point - if you are building the whole thing (not an existing building), I'd consider not building it square. Possibly not even rectangular (although that complicates the build). The less symmetrical the room, the less standing waves are a problem. But definitely rectangular is better than square.

[rob_lee]

hello dudes..

please, what u suggest? for studio building?

i mean - what have better acoustics? wood or stone..
)

Stone/Brick and Square/Oblong (render NOT plaster)Render gives you the uneven feel over stone etc as one poster said here...oh and plenty of cash to pay the builder if you don't know what your doing. I been building for 22yrs. I'm a layer of stone/bricks plus a building surveyor by trade if that helps.

Rob

[jupiter8]

From a pure acoustics point of view it is largely irrelevant. It pretty much does not matter.

[psychoxkps]

uneven.. that can be cool if u mastering song.. for example u good hear bass and leads separately and u can add some nice bus compression..

nice! thank you! you helped a lot!!!

[robogone]

Remember what happened to the three little pigs, and DEFINITELY don't build your studio from straw!

[xoxos]

that would be suckage.

[psychoxkps]

lol:D okay.. I only thinking what for what is good smearing, diffusion panels that's why I started this topic but thanks anyway:D