Examples of 'cutting edge' dance/electronic music?
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an-electric-heart an-electric-heart https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182734
- KVRAF
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- 2505 posts since 13 Jun, 2008 from Napier,New Zealand
I listen to all kinds of genres, but as far as dance music goes, I'm a bit behind... I still listen to the likes of Prodigy and Pendulum.
The other day someone used the term 'cutting edge dance music'
I'm just curious, examples please? What's the most state of the art ( ) modern dance music right now? Where are we at?
The other day someone used the term 'cutting edge dance music'
I'm just curious, examples please? What's the most state of the art ( ) modern dance music right now? Where are we at?
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an-electric-heart an-electric-heart https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=182734
- KVRAF
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Nice... thread de-railed on the first postDoug1978 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdwdd4h1NYo
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TBH, I'm a bit out the loop too, but this should be more helpful:
http://wintermusicconference.com/events/idmas/
Pirupa sounds very nice to my ears.
- KVRAF
- 10360 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
It's interesting how different taste is. I listened to the Pirupa - Party Non Stop song and I just don't get it at all. It has absolutely ZERO things in it that I think are good.
In fact, I've now checked out most of the underground winners and I don't really seem to understand any of them. Maybe I'm just getting too old.
Cheers!
bManic
In fact, I've now checked out most of the underground winners and I don't really seem to understand any of them. Maybe I'm just getting too old.
Cheers!
bManic
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^^ tbh bmanic, we're both getting old (and indeed one of the reasons for me liking Pirupa was that some of their recent singles/mixes remind me of my own clubbing days...).
Nevertheless, that website is one of a number (Mixmag might be another) that offer some indication as to where 'we are at' with popular, mainstream and also emerging dance acts currently - but arguably their suggestions are not cutting edge.
I'll too be interested to read here about any 'bleedingly cutting edge' dance suggestions and links for dance music, although I expect one person's definition of cutting edge dance music may be another person's zzzzzzzzz...
Cheers.
Nevertheless, that website is one of a number (Mixmag might be another) that offer some indication as to where 'we are at' with popular, mainstream and also emerging dance acts currently - but arguably their suggestions are not cutting edge.
I'll too be interested to read here about any 'bleedingly cutting edge' dance suggestions and links for dance music, although I expect one person's definition of cutting edge dance music may be another person's zzzzzzzzz...
Cheers.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
While I'm not sure that most of the list would be my list, this is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYMkx_g_jM
You can get it on beatport.
http://www.beatport.com/track/they-fron ... ix/4057000
Beatport charts are a great way to get familiar with what is current in dance music trends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYMkx_g_jM
You can get it on beatport.
http://www.beatport.com/track/they-fron ... ix/4057000
Beatport charts are a great way to get familiar with what is current in dance music trends.
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- KVRian
- 737 posts since 24 Mar, 2013 from Amsterdam
I think I have a too different background in music (or maybe I'm also getting too old) to really understand 'cutting edge' where it comes to dance music.
Although in my 20's I did some heavy clubbing I was always pretty bored with the music itself. I find myself dancing easier to more 'free' music that doesn't have your typical 4/4 beat somehow and although I can be surprised by new stuff like Dubstep (first time I heard Skrillex I was really surpised to hear a distinctive new sound) I find it hard to think of new influences in modern dance music although to be honest I only hear stuff that's played on the radio.
I'm more interested in the merging of genres especially where it comes to electronics and jazz. I don't think this particular example is what you were looking for but to me this is 'cutting edge' and I can even dance to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBqDx_ci9A
Although in my 20's I did some heavy clubbing I was always pretty bored with the music itself. I find myself dancing easier to more 'free' music that doesn't have your typical 4/4 beat somehow and although I can be surprised by new stuff like Dubstep (first time I heard Skrillex I was really surpised to hear a distinctive new sound) I find it hard to think of new influences in modern dance music although to be honest I only hear stuff that's played on the radio.
I'm more interested in the merging of genres especially where it comes to electronics and jazz. I don't think this particular example is what you were looking for but to me this is 'cutting edge' and I can even dance to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBqDx_ci9A
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- KVRAF
- 10360 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
I don't understand this one either. Can you explain what you like about this song? The sounds, the rhythm, the buildup, the punch of the drums, the "lyrics"?ghettosynth wrote:While I'm not sure that most of the list would be my list, this is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYMkx_g_jM
To me these kind of songs just don't have any point.. there's no real buildup, there are no exciting sounds and the beat is very docile and laid back. Everything stays in the same key throughout the song (well this is quite common for dance music so I can't really fault it).
To me there are no exciting elements here. Nothing "stylish".. everything is rather bland. It's like the composers take no risks and stick to the very basics.
Is it possible to do an analysis or a dissection of the interesting elements of the track? Or just simply tell us what makes it good in your opinion? This interests me a lot as a sound designer as I'm always keen on learning what people want for interesting, usable sounds.. and it also interests me as a composer to understand the motivations for the choice of tonality, harmony, melody and rhythm.
It's very possible that I just don't get it though.. and I fully accept that. It is after all how we all end up. Stuck in our ways and not understanding the new stuff.
Cheers!
bManic
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- KVRist
- 258 posts since 24 Sep, 2003 from Finland
EDM has many edges. I dont really know or care if this is cutting edge but quite new release I have been listening and enjoying. Different style than other examples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3maTsM5Eo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo3maTsM5Eo
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- KVRAF
- 10360 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Now this one I like, immediately! Probably because it has an Infected Mushroom vibe to it right from the get-go.
It has a ton of things to listen to and listen for. It's groovy, it has "clever" breaks and nice sounds.
Cheers!
bManic
It has a ton of things to listen to and listen for. It's groovy, it has "clever" breaks and nice sounds.
Cheers!
bManic
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Yes.bmanic wrote:I don't understand this one either. Can you explain what you like about this song? The sounds,ghettosynth wrote:While I'm not sure that most of the list would be my list, this is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYMkx_g_jM
It's house, there's not much that stands out in the rhythm, except, it's disciplined sparsity. That said, the feel is great.the rhythm,
So, I do like when the bass drops as well as the interesting sound that drops just before that. But, when I'm playing this record those may not get heard because they will come in under another record. So, while it's a nice aspect of this record, I'd say that the lack of giant buildups while still remaining interesting is key.the buildup,
Yes, and yes. Or, really, the sparse cleanness of the production and the simple rhythmic and tonal qualities of the "lyric." It's easy to fill up the space with noise, it takes a sense of restraint to allow the space to breathe and still keep a listener engaged.the punch of the drums, the "lyrics"?
And yet it held my attention all the way though. Let me be clear though, it's non-trivial to do so and if I could tell you the secret I'd probably be selling a lot of records.To me these kind of songs just don't have any point.. there's no real buildup, there are no exciting sounds and the beat is very docile and laid back.
So, I think that you're a little out of touch here. Exciting, well, ok, if you're looking for sounds that are "obviously" exciting. But stylish, I beg to differ. It's quite hip, tech-house is all the rage among the underground set these days.Everything stays in the same key throughout the song (well this is quite common for dance music so I can't really fault it).
To me there are no exciting elements here. Nothing "stylish".. everything is rather bland. It's like the composers take no risks and stick to the very basics.
As far as taking risks, you don't think that it's risky to put so little on the record? Was 4'33" risky? Building a track around some simple spoken phrases isn't risky? You could take a lot less risk by putting hilarious snare builds with rising sirens and a diva vocal drenched in reverb and delay.
So we've talked about this sort of thing quite a bit in the "melody in dance music thread." This is good minimal underground dance music, in part, because it exercises restraint in melody.Is it possible to do an analysis or a dissection of the interesting elements of the track? Or just simply tell us what makes it good in your opinion? This interests me a lot as a sound designer as I'm always keen on learning what people want for interesting, usable sounds.. and it also interests me as a composer to understand the motivations for the choice of tonality, harmony, melody and rhythm.
Well, if you don't like it you don't like it. I will point out that while I don't completely dislike the trance track discussed above, it's quite dull to my ears. It's like the difference between Stevie Ray Vaughn and Buddy Guy. Flashy loud obvious changes don't impress me at all. They're just distracting. I was watching a discussion of Clyde Stublefield and what makes James Brown's music so great, it's as much about the space between the notes as it is the notes themselves.It's very possible that I just don't get it though.. and I fully accept that. It is after all how we all end up. Stuck in our ways and not understanding the new stuff.
So, I can tell you that for music like this to be good, you should remove everything that you "think" is exciting, and leave only the raw elements that are "actually" exciting. The risk is that if you take one thing too much out, there is a sharp phase transition from "exciting" to "oh my god, who left the drum machine running." Knowing where that transition is and riding it, is the skill.
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- KVRian
- 756 posts since 3 Apr, 2013 from Belgium
This is really from 2013 ?? Sounds like 89' house to me... And not one I would remember or would like to hear...ghettosynth wrote:While I'm not sure that most of the list would be my list, this is hot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIYMkx_g_jM
You can get it on beatport.
http://www.beatport.com/track/they-fron ... ix/4057000
Beatport charts are a great way to get familiar with what is current in dance music trends.
I don't want to be harsh but I'm really surprised that people could release that kind of music in 2013...
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so, are there any examples of cutting edge dance music in this thread, or are we talking about ourselves
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- 756 posts since 3 Apr, 2013 from Belgium
In fact I'm not sure of which dance music we are referring to...
For me in the 90s dance music was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPM1q_Uyxc or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8NRtBYc3fI
Opposing to techno that was more cold and industrial,
house more heavy, warm and groovy,
trance more serious, tripping and futuristic
goa like trance but more psychedelic and mystic...
Dance in my book always was more happy, commercial, full of vocals.
So today I guess Psy, David Guetta, Black Eyed Peas are dance music to me...
Even if now every genre tends to fusion, so RnB and Raggaton became dance music too. and when they put a 4/4 kick behind, this is dance for me.
For me in the 90s dance music was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPM1q_Uyxc or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8NRtBYc3fI
Opposing to techno that was more cold and industrial,
house more heavy, warm and groovy,
trance more serious, tripping and futuristic
goa like trance but more psychedelic and mystic...
Dance in my book always was more happy, commercial, full of vocals.
So today I guess Psy, David Guetta, Black Eyed Peas are dance music to me...
Even if now every genre tends to fusion, so RnB and Raggaton became dance music too. and when they put a 4/4 kick behind, this is dance for me.