Somewhere it seems I remember seeing a chart with chords belonging to a given tonic...

[terriandralph]

I probably will not be able to describe this chart clearly enough, but it was a chart I found somewhere on the internet that listed all of the chords that belonged to a given tonic. It was an very extensive list, and included all sorts of chords and their functions. It went something like this:

C - tonic; dominant of IV or iv
C minor - minor tonic
Db - Neapolitan
Dm - subtonic
D - dominant of V or v

and so on.

Anyone else seen such a thing?

[arkmabat]

This Android app comes somewhat close to that:


https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... +companion

[terriandralph]

Not quite what I meant. Say with C as the tonic, the chart included chords along with their extended functions such as augmented chords, chords borrowed from the relative and parallel minor, and so on.

[Tricky-Loops]

Maybe one of these charts?

http://www.howmusicreallyworks.com/PGS_ ... Phone.html

[terriandralph]

I couldn't find it it any of the charts connected to the link you posted. It seems it was a list that went through practically every chromatic pitch and showed how chords built on these chromatic pitches might relate to a particular key.

[tapper mike]

I found those types of scale degree descriptions for chord naming impractical in real life. Using the Roman numeral system is much more effective for remembering chord relations in a key.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_(music)#Scale_degree

The roman numeral system is the most widely used and accepted. No one says its a Subtonic, Dominant, Tonic progression. They usually say it's a ii-V-1
(two- five -one)

[JumpingJackFlash]

No one says its a Subtonic, Dominant, Tonic progression. They usually say it's a ii-V-1
(two- five -one)

No one says Subtonic for ii anyway, that's Supertonic.
Subtonic refers to a whole tone below the tonic, so the 7th degree of the natural minor for example.

Dm - subtonic

This for example is incorrect.

In relation to a tonic of C, Bb would be the subtonic.
D is the supertonic.

The thing as well is that function often depends on context. Even within the same key, different chords can have different functions depending on their inversion, and what chords follow them.

[tapper mike]

No one says its a Subtonic, Dominant, Tonic progression. They usually say it's a ii-V-1
(two- five -one)

No one says Subtonic for ii anyway, that's Supertonic.
Subtonic refers to a whole tone below the tonic, so the 7th degree of the natural minor for example.

See why I find them impractical. They are hard to remember where as scale degrees are easily recognizable and more widely used in harmonic analysis.

[stringtapper]

No one says its a Subtonic, Dominant, Tonic progression. They usually say it's a ii-V-1
(two- five -one)

No one says Subtonic for ii anyway, that's Supertonic.
Subtonic refers to a whole tone below the tonic, so the 7th degree of the natural minor for example.

See why I find them impractical. They are hard to remember where as scale degrees are easily recognizable and more widely used in harmonic analysis.

Hard to remember?

"Sub" means "below", "super" means "above"… tonic, that is.

[tapper mike]

And yet the common use for the bVII is as substitution for the V chord. Not a tonic, subtonic or supertonic.

Sunshine of your love- Eric Clapton
House Party - J Geils Band
In My Life - The Beatles
If I Fell - The Beatles.
Lazy Bird- John Coltrane.

[stringtapper]

And yet the common use for the bVII is as substitution for the V chord. Not a tonic, subtonic or supertonic.

Sunshine of your love- Eric Clapton
House Party - J Geils Band
In My Life - The Beatles
If I Fell - The Beatles.
Lazy Bird- John Coltrane.

Huh? The terms subtonic and supertonic don't mean that they're types of "tonics", they define where the degrees are in relation to the tonic, as do all of the scale degree names.

Dominant = fifth above

Subdominant = fifth below

Mediant = third above

Submediant = third below

Supertonic = step above

Leading Tone/Subtonic = step below

[JumpingJackFlash]

Supertonic = step above

Leading Tone/Subtonic = step below

There is however a distinction between "leading tone" (or leading note) and "Subtonic". The former is a half step (semitone) below, the latter is a whole step (tone) below the tonic.

In C minor for example; B is the leading note, Bb is the subtonic.

[stringtapper]

Supertonic = step above

Leading Tone/Subtonic = step below

There is however a distinction between "leading tone" (or leading note) and "Subtonic". The former is a half step (semitone) below, the latter is a whole step (tone) below the tonic.

In C minor for example; B is the leading note, Bb is the subtonic.

I lumped them together and didn't specify the quality of step because it seemed like things were already hard enough for some people.

[tyrell87]

Maybe the links under the heading "Chord Progression Maps" on this page:

http://mugglinworks.com/chordmaps/chartmaps.htm

were what you're looking for.