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dubbhism · Post by **dubbhism** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 3:45 pm

Here's some more about that point of view, demonstraded with modular synth and a link to the theory

http://www.dubbhism.com/2013/10/advance ... ny-is.html

supermaneric · Post by **supermaneric** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:38 pm

umm well all music or sound for that matter are frequencies of vibration so changes in the speed of the sound will produce different pitches so i guess you can kind of say by creating different speed of a sound it creates a different pitch and hence ability to create harmony? Wouldn't really call this a theory

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:47 pm

Every OSC wave is a rhythm but you cannot perceive it. It's the same thing like a movie - there are many single images in a second (FPS) but only the fast rhythm makes them "moving" - and in case of a sound, there are many waveforms following each other...

When every sound is a rhythm of different waveforms, then harmonies are rhythms, too.

But I think in the end this is rather confusing people and won't revolutionize music theory in any way...

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:03 pm

So while the claim is true, I don't see how this could help me in making music...

The only practical application would be to make arpeggios out of chords but this is common practice, anyway...

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:05 pm

Nothing new about this observation. Henry Cowell was writing about it in the early 1900s and he didn't have a modular synth to test it. He even created the blueprints for an instrument called the Rhythmicon that used these principles (I have a friend who realized it in Pd).

Even Moritz Hauptmann in the 19th century was coming close to talking about these relationships in his theories of rhythm and harmony.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:19 pm

No revolution in (musician's) paradise...

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:44 pm

A good synth with an LFO that goes from low to audio frequency can demonstrate this. The border realm between rhythm and pitch is... weird

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:44 pm

Actually there were some errors in my last comment. Cowell actually created more than the blueprints for the Rhythmicon and commissioned none other than Leon Theremin to help him build it. See an article by the same friend I mentioned earlier:

http://www.furious.com/perfect/henrycowell.html

coquillo · Post by **coquillo** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:07 pm

Sendy wrote:A good synth with an LFO that goes from low to audio frequency can demonstrate this. The border realm between rhythm and pitch is... weird

Granular synthesis around 23hz does it for me.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:16 pm

I was about to write "Isn't granular synthesis a similar approach - to break down [the rhythm of] the (audio) waves to partials and to re-arrange them to a new wave with a new rhythm..."

Sparky77 · Post by **Sparky77** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:54 pm

No, rhythm is actually a really SLOW harmony.
Or it might just be semantics

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:00 pm

Sparky77 wrote:No, rhythm is actually a really SLOW harmony.
Or it might just be semantics

Rhythm isn't harmony.

You can have a rhythm without any harmony! You don't even need notes, you can clap a rhythm with your hands.

But harmony is rhythm as stated.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:23 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
Sparky77 wrote:No, rhythm is actually a really SLOW harmony.
Or it might just be semantics
Rhythm isn't harmony.

You can have a rhythm without any harmony! You don't even need notes, you can clap a rhythm with your hands.

But harmony is rhythm as stated.

If you're talented you can likely clap a simple melody too, more than one person might even be able to clap a harmony because not everyone claps at the same pitch and claps do have pitch which as I see it means they can be notes

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:32 pm

Hink wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Sparky77 wrote:No, rhythm is actually a really SLOW harmony.
Or it might just be semantics
Rhythm isn't harmony.

You can have a rhythm without any harmony! You don't even need notes, you can clap a rhythm with your hands.

But harmony is rhythm as stated.
If you're talented you can likely clap a simple melody too, more than one person might even be able to clap a harmony because not everyone claps at the same pitch and claps do have pitch which as I see it means they can be notes

*CAN* doesn't mean that it's always the case!

Then it should be: "Rhythm *CAN* be harmony!"

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:44 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
Hink wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Sparky77 wrote:No, rhythm is actually a really SLOW harmony.
Or it might just be semantics
Rhythm isn't harmony.

You can have a rhythm without any harmony! You don't even need notes, you can clap a rhythm with your hands.

But harmony is rhythm as stated.
If you're talented you can likely clap a simple melody too, more than one person might even be able to clap a harmony because not everyone claps at the same pitch and claps do have pitch which as I see it means they can be notes
*CAN* doesn't mean that it's always the case!

Then it should be: "Rhythm *CAN* be harmony!"

isn't that what I said?

Harmony is actually a really fast rhythm