KVR Audio

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:52 pm

Hi guys

I can only think of one that I know for sure is true stereo

Softube Tsar-1

There must be others. 2cAudio's reverbs?

b15fliptop · Post by **b15fliptop** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:06 pm

Reverberate.

http://www.liquidsonics.com/software_reverberate.htm

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:36 pm

I would imagine that most algorithmic reverbs released the last 5-10 years are true stereo

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:53 pm

Aiynzahev wrote: There must be others. 2cAudio's reverbs?

Aether and Breeze each have a true stereo modes. Pretty sure B2 does as well.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:21 pm

Acon Verberate as well.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:40 pm

Valhalla reverbs are aren't they?

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:48 pm

Warp69 wrote:I would imagine that most algorithmic reverbs released the last 5-10 years are true stereo

Yes but not all. Some of them are re-creations like yours. Is LX480 true stereo?

Also any know if the new Lexicon PCM stuff true stereo?

EDIT - Valhalla is yes.

satYatunes · Post by **satYatunes** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:20 pm

You should visit this thread at Reaper forum:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=67620

This thread has the list of Reverbs and how they process the sound. Believe it or not, Ambience free is True Stereo.

Warp69 · Post by **Warp69** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:43 pm

Aiynzahev wrote:Yes but not all. Some of them are re-creations like yours. Is LX480 true stereo?

Also any know if the new Lexicon PCM stuff true stereo?

EDIT - Valhalla is yes.

And recreations are somehow related to "True Stereo"? How?

I believe you have tested both LX480 and PCM extensively - both are "True Stereo"................ The list would be way shorter if we mentioned 'Non-True Stereo" reverbs.

Something related - Is "True Stereo" a measurement of sound quality? If so, how can some "True Stereo" reverbs have more envelopment/spaciousness than others? The Lexicon 480L (and most reverbs from Lexicon) is excellent at spaciousness. The TC Electronic VSS3 is not "True Stereo" and yet have better envelopment/spaciousness than most plugins that are "True Stereo".....

Novalis · Post by **Novalis** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:10 am

Aiynzahev wrote: Also any know if the new Lexicon PCM stuff true stereo?

What new lexicon stuff?

They'll be releasing new plug-ins soon?

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:12 am

Warp69 wrote:
Aiynzahev wrote:Yes but not all. Some of them are re-creations like yours. Is LX480 true stereo?

Also any know if the new Lexicon PCM stuff true stereo?

EDIT - Valhalla is yes.
And recreations are somehow related to "True Stereo"? How?

I believe you have tested both LX480 and PCM extensively - both are "True Stereo"................ The list would be way shorter if we mentioned 'Non-True Stereo" reverbs.

Something related - Is "True Stereo" a measurement of sound quality? If so, how can some "True Stereo" reverbs have more envelopment/spaciousness than others? The Lexicon 480L (and most reverbs from Lexicon) is excellent at spaciousness. The TC Electronic VSS3 is not "True Stereo" and yet have better envelopment/spaciousness than most plugins that are "True Stereo".....

Well if older reverbs were not true stereo then re-creations wouldn't be either. That's an *if* simply because I don't know, that is why I am asking the question.

As to your related question I don't think so. Nor do I think it's important overall. But having true stereo as an option could provide for different mixing techniques I imagine. Placing tracks in the stereo field and then sending to the reverb unit if the unit is TS might give a different result than if the unit was summing to mono first. I haven't done much experimentation with it. It just crossed my mind today.

It might be a good test actually and an easy one to do. Take a TS reverb and export a mix with it in TS mode and with it with a mono-summer plug-in before the reverb so all the sends get summed.

I've also read of engineers panning the reverbs themselves. I need to try that out!

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:13 am

Novalis wrote:
Aiynzahev wrote: Also any know if the new Lexicon PCM stuff true stereo?

What new lexicon stuff?

They'll be releasing new plug-ins soon?

lol, no sorry. I just meant the PCM plugins.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:15 am

satYatunes wrote:You should visit this thread at Reaper forum:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=67620

This thread has the list of Reverbs and how they process the sound. Believe it or not, Ambience free is True Stereo.

Thanks. I saw that list a long time ago actually. I was asking this same question in fact. It's just come to my mind again recently.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:26 am

All of our verbs are capable of True stereo and are by default--but they don't have to be.

We have extensive control over this behavior via Cross and Width controls in our products. Aether and B2 are also able to do Mid-Side manipulations. B2 is capable or a large list of possible stereo behaviors which generally encompass pretty much all possible stereo configurations.

True stereo is kinda "101" stuff in 2014.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:02 pm

Galbanum wrote:All of our verbs are capable of True stereo and are by default--but they don't have to be.

We have extensive control over this behavior via Cross and Width controls in our products. Aether and B2 are also able to do Mid-Side manipulations. B2 is capable or a large list of possible stereo behaviors which generally encompass pretty much all possible stereo configurations.

True stereo is kinda "101" stuff in 2014.

Thanks for weighing in.

Please list True Stereo Reverbs