Oh yeah? EMULATE THIS!

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zerocrossing
KVRAF
11569 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:09 pm

I love electronic instruments and software so much, but every now and then I realize how totally ineffective they are at expressing the types of sounds this guy can make with ease.

http://www.mnoriginal.org/episode/509-s ... l-metzger/
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Teksonik
KVRAF
16501 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:17 pm

I admire his Spirit for it is the Soul of Music...........but desire to Emulate the sounds he creates ? No.
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KVRAF
2268 posts since 19 Sep, 2011

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:59 pm

Teksonik wrote:I admire his Spirit for it is the Soul of Music...........but desire to Emulate the sounds he creates ? No.

+1 ew yuck. acoustic instruments sound like shit.

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Sendy
KVRAF
5231 posts since 20 Jul, 2010

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:45 pm

We need more people like this dude, in all walks of music.
http://sendy.bandcamp.com/releases < My new album at Bandcamp! Now pay what you like!

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nineofkings
KVRAF
1791 posts since 9 Apr, 2011

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:50 pm

The part he says at 3:10 explains it: "I want it to be what it is; very honest." There's a certain reality to the resonance and the physicality of a real instrument, how it moves the air, how it varies with small changes in the playing, that can't be fully emulated.

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Sendy
KVRAF
5231 posts since 20 Jul, 2010

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:53 pm

I just look at physical instruments as basically plugins that use the universe as a sort of cloud computer to calculate their output. Free CPU cycles! Free antialiasing! :hihi:
http://sendy.bandcamp.com/releases < My new album at Bandcamp! Now pay what you like!

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nineofkings
KVRAF
1791 posts since 9 Apr, 2011

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:00 pm

Although the A/D converters can be a bit screwy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoacoustics

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alvfaria
KVRian
1299 posts since 4 Apr, 2011 from Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:06 pm

I like these crazyness! :D

buhrmi
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139 posts since 1 Jul, 2006

Post Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:24 pm

Sendy wrote:I just look at physical instruments as basically plugins that use the universe as a sort of cloud computer to calculate their output. Free CPU cycles! Free antialiasing! :hihi:
[8]
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zerocrossing
KVRAF

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11569 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:08 am

Teksonik wrote:I admire his Spirit for it is the Soul of Music...........but desire to Emulate the sounds he creates ? No.
Because you don't think they should be emulated or you don't like them?
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KVRAF

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Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:10 am

:tu:
Sendy wrote:We need more people like this dude, in all walks of music.
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zerocrossing
KVRAF

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Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:50 am

nineofkings wrote:The part he says at 3:10 explains it: "I want it to be what it is; very honest." There's a certain reality to the resonance and the physicality of a real instrument, how it moves the air, how it varies with small changes in the playing, that can't be fully emulated.
The quote should be "can't yet be fully emulated." I fully believe that physical modeling is still in it's infancy. As algorithms become more sophisticated and computers faster, we'll inch closer to be able to fully emulate chaotic acoustic systems, just like we're getting close to emulating analog synthesizers now.

The question is, will humans, myself include, be able to give up the love for objects? I was nearly physically sick for a month after I traded an electric guitar for a newer more sophisticated model. (G&L Skyhawk {stratocaster style] for a Floyd Rose equipped Ibanez) The Ibanez was a more "perfect" guitar in many ways, but while I thought I would like it more for that, I actually hated it. Luckily the shop hadn't sold my trade-in and I was able to trade it back... for a $100 fee. Best $100 lesson I ever bought. Not only was my G&L a more "characterful" instrument but I purchased it at a crucial time in my life. I had just left high school to go to an audio engineering school and pursue a career in audio engineering and as a musician. I went to the shop (Alex's Music in NYC) with the girl I lost my virginity with. Now that can't be emulated. :hyper: That instrument has a special "juju" that I've bestowed to it and I either think that I'm too old and set in my ways to believe that I'll ever feel that way about a piece of software, or that humans don't attach themselves to software in the same way.
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KVRAF
5748 posts since 8 Jun, 2009

Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:54 am

zerocrossing wrote:
nineofkings wrote:The part he says at 3:10 explains it: "I want it to be what it is; very honest." There's a certain reality to the resonance and the physicality of a real instrument, how it moves the air, how it varies with small changes in the playing, that can't be fully emulated.
The quote should be "can't yet be fully emulated." I fully believe that physical modeling is still in it's infancy. As algorithms become more sophisticated and computers faster, we'll inch closer to be able to fully emulate chaotic acoustic systems, just like we're getting close to emulating analog synthesizers now.
To emulate something fully you need to take into account anything that can happen to an instrument. But you also have the opportunities to take out things that are less desirable, such as fret buzz or bumps. For some people, that's going to be part of their playing style. For them, there is always the physical instrument.

We get too hung up on emulation. I'm happy with synthetic instruments as long as they keep improving in terms of articulation. For the rest of the sound, there is always the darn plank of wood and strings.

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KVRer
11 posts since 30 Jun, 2014

Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:16 am

Really nice, I did not know this guy, loved the video, thanks for sharing!

I guess to me emulating is not my goal, at all. If I want salt I put salt, if I want pepper I put pepper, I don't expect the salt to make a "pretty good pepper emulation". Tastes, decisions, that is what creation is about to me. This guy seems to have that pretty much sorted out!

Have a good day!

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The_Hidden_Goose
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946 posts since 8 Dec, 2003 from Birmingham-ish, UK (Tamworth, but shhh!)

Post Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:40 am

I got a couple of his earlier albums released on Locust Music.

Forgotten completely about this chap in recent years though - cheers for reminding me!
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