CPU Efficieny/Stability Logic 10 vs Cubase 8

[beatmangler443]

Between logic x vs cubase 8 which has the best handling of virtual instruments and cpu efficiency? Which is more stable of the two? Next year I've decided to go mac. I will either use one of those two or studio one. Thx

[Dúnedain]

Well, as Logic is Mac only I would argue it is optimized for running on a Mac.

I run Logic Pro X + yosemite on an old Mac Pro and to me it runs fast, however I just work on small projects without CPU killing synths

When it comes to stability: it is stable enough, but not 100% crash free.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Logic X is pretty stable here, and it uses all my cores..

On the Mac Logic X is a good choice imo.

I like Cubase as well but don't own it at present..I think it likely has a more comprehensive midi editing tools..

[5Lives]

Unlike many people, I have both running on my 2014 Macbook Pro (fully maxed out). Here's my thoughts:

Cubase wins.

Now, that doesn't mean Logic is a slouch - not even close. It is fantastic at VIs and CPU, but for two things:
- multi-core usage - Logic can overload a single core. You have to manage it properly.
- Cubase's Instrument Rack workflow can be very beneficial if you're into multi-out VSTs (like drums or for orchestral templates using Kontakt)

To be honest, Cubase Pro 8 is such a game changer for me. It is phenomenal in basically 90% of ways. However, I would (and do) use either one.

[jancivil]

I don't know Logic 10. However the remark about one core/overloads is historically true. So it depends on what you're doing.
Logic is probably made to be optimal with Core Audio in a way Cubase never will be. So in older days when things were not made to use cores, Logic beat Cubase for straight VI usage handily. Cubase at v. 5.5 began to use cores better.

If you have never used Logic and you rely on multi-out instruments, it's a bit of a learning curve as opposed to loading via the VST rack, which any idiot can figure out by sight. I load every instrument except Reaktor (in order to write knob moves by mouse) in VE Pro, which is again simpler in Cubase as a multi-out thing.
If your use is going to be Logic's own instruments, it's going to be about as efficient as anything in the world.

[maschinelf]

Cubase for me too. I haven't used Logic since 9.1 though.

Cubase 8 is a big improvement over 7, and I'd guess efficiency is much closer to logic now. Though I only used 6.5 briefly, it wasn't very efficient on mac, and the new engine and asio guard 2 seems to work much better than how it did in 7. Also the render in place, dockable racks, improved ui etc make it feel like a more finished product.

Besides the single core overloading, Logic also has a problem with not adjusting the display to compensate for plugins on busses, which can be a problem with automation. Afaik, this is still not fixed. Cubase pdc is second to none. May not be that important to some, but I prefer to not have to worry about something like this impede my workflow or force a particular approach. I've also seen on some setups using Logic X that the GUI tends to get laggy after a while, and because of this the metering becomes pretty useless. This could have been improved with updates, I don't know, and also could be due to their setups. And the metering was never as good compared to Cubase anyway, or for that matter Pro Tools or something like Studio One. Logic probably has more interesting instruments and some nice effects, but for these reasons and also other things like chord tracks, arranger track, midi plugins, control room, drum editor, vst expression etc, it feels like a more complete (at least to me) daw. Logic X does seem to be getting some of these features now, and in all fairness there are things like render in place, which Logic has had for years.

Cubase's general layout and instruments racks etc make more sense to me, and I find that it is more logical, for lack of a better word. But this is purely a workflow thing, and initially felt even a bit confusing since I was coming from Logic.

[TwoToneshuzz]

The last update on Logic X included multi core support for up to 12 x2 24 threads. So it works differently now and is more efficient.. I'm pleased and price wise it beats Cubase.. If I already owned Cubase I would likely keep using it despite better core usage in Logic X.

New users who are choosing which Daw to invest in should look at needed functionality and compatibility with any studios or artists they might be collaborating with.

[jancivil]

I use Logic for compatibility with video people who tend to use FCP alongside Logic. VE Pro just got a major AU update to provide multi-port ease which made working with Logic a PITA. It's almost so inexpensive as to recommend picking it up period if you're going to be on Mac. I wouldn't work with it for MIDI->VI because of the one lane at a time handling of controllers, also I need Cubase's warp time capabilities. I have to point out that I bought Logic sick of Cubase's slowness with VIs but VE Pro came along right about then and obviated that for me.

[Passing Bye]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

[TwoToneshuzz]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

Don't have to upgrade the OS if the present one works for you, in fact I usually wait a year before I upgrade, sometimes more..

[Passing Bye]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

Don't have to upgrade the OS if the present one works for you, in fact I usually wait a year before I upgrade, sometimes more..

Of course, but If he get himself new Mac, he will get new OS with it too and he can't go backwards because there's none of older versions in his account (unless he torrents them) ,so he's pretty much forced to use that version of OS

[TwoToneshuzz]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

Don't have to upgrade the OS if the present one works for you, in fact I usually wait a year before I upgrade, sometimes more..

Of course, but If he get himself new Mac, he will get new OS with it too and he can't go backwards because there's none of older versions in his account (unless he torrents them) ,so he's pretty much forced to use that version of OS

If Beat Mangler is worried about OS issues, he could always register an apple ID now and download the present OS... I think you can get Mountain Lion as well right now, later Mavericks will likely become available.

I'm presently on a buy 1 year old used computer gear here in Denmark it amounts to getting things without tax..

[Passing Bye]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

Don't have to upgrade the OS if the present one works for you, in fact I usually wait a year before I upgrade, sometimes more..

Of course, but If he get himself new Mac, he will get new OS with it too and he can't go backwards because there's none of older versions in his account (unless he torrents them) ,so he's pretty much forced to use that version of OS

If Beat Mangler is worried about OS issues, he could always register an apple ID now and download the present OS... I think you can get Mountain Lion as well right now, later Mavericks will likely become available.

I'm presently on a buy 1 year old used computer gear here in Denmark it amounts to getting things without tax..

I just gave him heads up about it, because no he can't download Mavericks at all at this point legally and right now I don't know how legal is to download someone else's update for OS using his Mac and your account only, even if he buy something prior to Mavericks, he can only update to newest version from it, so it's pretty much it.

[TwoToneshuzz]

Next year I've decided to go mac.

By that time there's probably going to be new OS you are forced to use and new set of bugs in both departments (DAW&OS)

Don't have to upgrade the OS if the present one works for you, in fact I usually wait a year before I upgrade, sometimes more..

Of course, but If he get himself new Mac, he will get new OS with it too and he can't go backwards because there's none of older versions in his account (unless he torrents them) ,so he's pretty much forced to use that version of OS

If Beat Mangler is worried about OS issues, he could always register an apple ID now and download the present OS... I think you can get Mountain Lion as well right now, later Mavericks will likely become available.

I'm presently on a buy 1 year old used computer gear here in Denmark it amounts to getting things without tax..

I just gave him heads up about it, because no he can't download Mavericks at all at this point legally and right now I don't know how legal is to download someone else's update for OS using his Mac and your account only, even if he buy something prior to Mavericks, he can only update to newest OS from it, so it's pretty much it.

This takes some investigation.. Anyways I'm running Logic X in Yosemite right now without issues.. I'm doubtful they will be releasing a new OS 11 within one year, possible though..

Cubase on the other hand is somewhat slower to catch up to OS's in the Mac world so here he'd have to proceed with caution..

As to getting Mavericks, when I last checked it wasn't possible to get it from Apple, a new computer in a year might not be able to work with it anyways..

[Passing Bye]

This takes some investigation..

Of course, that's why I'm giving heads up about it

I'm doubtful they will be releasing a new OS 11 within one year, possible though..

They are releasing new version every year from 10.7, so very possible

As to getting Mavericks, when I last checked it wasn't possible to get it from Apple, a new computer in a year might not be able to work with it anyways..

Knowing Apple, it's more than possible, which makes my point stronger, one is stuck with new OS