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ranger3 · Post by **ranger3** » Thu May 07, 2015 8:46 am

Hi,

I released a track a year ago with a label & now I've heard the same sample vocal I used but on a different track-artist (the other person used the same sample pack as I bought (legal & royalty free pack).

His track was released just over a month ago with his label..
I think they used the full vocal song arrangement as I did ..
Is this possible?

Thank in advance ..

Maadfoo · Post by **Maadfoo** » Thu May 07, 2015 9:01 am

Why not?

Everyone can buy these sample packs and use the samples in their songs.

I mean isn't this the same with Photos from istock etc.? I saw the same photos in different advertisements too.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Thu May 07, 2015 9:17 am

Maadfoo wrote:... Everyone can buy these sample packs and use the samples in their songs.

Yep... unless stated otherwise, that is how it is. When ever you are using loops/portions of "sample packs" without modifying/personalizing them in some way, you face this potentiality. simple.

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:22 am

Obviously possible. Think about it. Did you check that noone else had used these samples in a release before using them yourself?

It's an interesting question when and how one track using one or more of the same sample pack samples as another track can be considered a copy of the first track. A problem for producers of generic sample-based music to contend with, and for attorneys to generate income from. The rest of us can be glad we're not part of that.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:34 am

ranger3 wrote:Hi,

I released a track a year ago with a label & now I've heard the same sample vocal I used but on a different track-artist (the other person used the same sample pack as I bought (legal & royalty free pack).

His track was released just over a month ago with his label..
I think they used the full vocal song arrangement as I did ..
Is this possible?

Thank in advance ..

No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:44 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
ranger3 wrote:Hi,

I released a track a year ago with a label & now I've heard the same sample vocal I used but on a different track-artist (the other person used the same sample pack as I bought (legal & royalty free pack).

His track was released just over a month ago with his label..
I think they used the full vocal song arrangement as I did ..
Is this possible?

Thank in advance ..
No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).

You win this thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4&t=431754

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:54 am

Recycling old material has been part and parcel of the mainstream music industry for decades. The early days of sampling were all about that. With sample packs, there's simply no need to sample-clear.

But...there is a danger you can come off looking like an idiot, like the guy who took the FLStudio arrangement of Faxing Berlin, did a few changes and passed it off as his own not realising that it was a famous DeadMau5 track. It does pay to be a bit careful when using full arrangements from a sample pack but it's practically impossible today to work out exactly where each sample has been used so you are navigating a minefield to some extent.

Also, check the conditions. Some sample packs **cough**Vengeance**cough** demand the samples be cleared first or simply not used commercially because of this issue. And Andrew Loog Oldham may demand your first-born even when you rerecord and rearrange practically everything.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu May 07, 2015 10:56 am

whyterabbyt wrote:No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).

No, they've changed the rules now. In order to stop anything ever going out of copyright the latest version wins. Apple and Amazon have now agreed to delete the old tracks from everyone's music collection.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:05 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).
No, they've changed the rules now. In order to stop anything ever going out of copyright the latest version wins. Apple and Amazon have now agreed to delete the old tracks from everyone's music collection.

Not true; the Lenin versus McCarthy judgment (the infamous 'Apple Music vs Beatless Headphones' lawsuit) clearly overthrew that on the basis of the PATRIOT Act stipulation of requiring all personal instances of audio recordings ever to be indefinitely preserved pending future improvement in the capabilities of infra-frequency psychoacoustic reconstruction analysis by the NSA.
In short, all your bass are belong to them.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:13 am

whyterabbyt wrote: In short, all your bass are belong to them.

Boom boom.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:14 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote: In short, all your bass are belong to them.
Boom boom.

the devil made me do it.

Maadfoo · Post by **Maadfoo** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:15 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
ranger3 wrote:Hi,

I released a track a year ago with a label & now I've heard the same sample vocal I used but on a different track-artist (the other person used the same sample pack as I bought (legal & royalty free pack).

His track was released just over a month ago with his label..
I think they used the full vocal song arrangement as I did ..
Is this possible?

Thank in advance ..
No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).

good one

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Thu May 07, 2015 11:17 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Gamma-UT wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:No, the rules are always the same for all sample packs you buy; First one to use a given sample 'wins' and the losers have to delete all their tracks off the internet. (If they dont, they have to pay royalties to the winner).
No, they've changed the rules now. In order to stop anything ever going out of copyright the latest version wins. Apple and Amazon have now agreed to delete the old tracks from everyone's music collection.
Not true; the Lenin versus McCarthy judgment (the infamous 'Apple Music vs Beatless Headphones' lawsuit) clearly overthrew that on the basis of the PATRIOT Act stipulation of requiring all personal instances of audio recordings ever to be indefinitely preserved pending future improvement in the capabilities of infra-frequency psychoacoustic reconstruction analysis by the NSA.
In short, all your bass are belong to them.

Indeed... However, the fourth 'addendum' to that ruling specifically stipulates: "...with three or more contiguous instantiations of any sound within an audio recording, applicable to analysis pursuant to any part of the Nyquist theorem, and/or any derivatives there of, all mid and high frequencies of said audio recording default to public domain."

It's The Law!

She Changed Her Mind · Thu May 07, 2015 1:01 pm

Everything is unique, or not; the samples are not the same or they are the same. Studied the case on a molecular level.
Until now one thought certain molecules are all the same, but is this exact? Of course not, otherwise no matter ever had even moved.
Think about it *bleep bleep*
In other words: can two distances between two things be exactly the same? Or is each distance between two things unique? Or are there certain distances exactly the same between two things and other distances between two things not?
Or are the distances just there at random: the distances are randomly exactly the same sometimes and sometimes not? Between all things?
When we are able to answer these questions we would be probably more able to understand the likeness between things and the differences between things. Just sayin'.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu May 07, 2015 1:11 pm

ranger3 wrote: His track was released just over a month ago with his label..
I think they used the full vocal song arrangement as I did ..
Is this possible?

Well ... obviously it's possible, as it has already happened. If you use commercial sample packs in your tunes this sort of thing is bound to go on. Did you think you had exclusive rights to the vocal you used?

Can 2 artists release tracks with the sample vocal from a sample pack