KVR Audio

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:33 pm

...is coming.

https://www.jrrshop.com/izotope-rx-4-advanced

RX4 is simply incredible, very much looking forward to any new audio witchcraft. Timing wise, think this is identical to last year, isn't it?

EDIT - Details here - https://www.izotope.com/en/products/pos ... io-editor/

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:31 pm

What a surprise. Another paid update. I do like rx4 but their pricing/business practices are terrible. How many maintenance/bug fixes did we get with rx4? 2? And now they're pulling this sh*t again? B*tches. They can suck it.

don1thedon · Post by **don1thedon** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:45 pm

No surprise unfortunately, great tools but their business model sure needs some urgent attention.
(RX3 Adv & Ozone 5 Adv user)

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:47 pm

I've been using RX3 adv and then RX4 adv for a couple of years - honestly I've not needed any bug fixes for them, they work very solidly for me and have achieved sonic wonders I wouldn't have believed possible. I'm ready to throw money at 'em.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:47 pm

I was just about to put in a request at my job to order a bunch of copies of RX4 Advanced. Guess I'll hold off until the next one is released!

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:32 pm

deastman wrote:I was just about to put in a request at my job to order a bunch of copies of RX4 Advanced. Guess I'll hold off until the next one is released!

According to the jrrshop link above, orders from now will include an RX5 upgrade for free (and same deal with Audiodeluxe).

If I have one hope-against-hope new feature, it's a severe anti-ailiasing filter. Stuff like Go Pro sound arrives already corrupted beyond use, if there was a magic plugin to get rid of all the digital nasties on that it would be incredibly useful. Unchirp is a amazing by Zynaptiq, wonder if they'll include something similar in RX5. Oh, and a spill-reducer - I've thought for a while it would be amazing to feed in a direct signal of a playback track into a sidechain of a plugin, then have the plugin intelligently remove the ambient version of the playback track from, say, a vocal mic that we hear as spill. Gotta be technically possible in this day and age.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:36 pm

RX4 Advanced is probably my most used tool here, unfortunately they did not fix the clipping issues in the leveler in version 4, maybe they'll even remove it in RX5

Spending another 500 bucks on the next update within a year is not happening really...

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:38 pm

I'm really going off this company.

Nspace · Post by **Nspace** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:41 pm

don1thedon wrote:No surprise unfortunately, great tools but their business model sure needs some urgent attention.
(RX3 Adv & Ozone 5 Adv user)

+1 to this and to Masterhiggins' post.

A very similar situation to what Sony Creative with Spectralayers has been doing since SL1 (charging -at best- US$200 each year), only their customer base has mostly run away, and their potential customers have not even attemped to tackle SL's steeper learning curve, most surely resulting in a financial disaster for them.

What these developers are basicly doing is very similar to selling the product again and again... to their loyal base.
If it were the case that they were charging for incremental features at reasonable rates, lets say nearing US$100 or so each, then everybody would be happy.

Last year's RX3 to RX4 they resold again a product that came with only one additional function really. It did look bad for RX3 owners back then. Now it seems it will probably happen the same for us RX4 first timers, meaning those of us who got it at the short discount window, got a good price but a closed upgrade path, that is going to cost us if we are willing to follow... No wonder some are planning to leave the platform altogether.

///Which is not good for Izotope if they are truly hoping to build a platform (RXmix).

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:03 pm

I'll be honest, I use this mostly in Post sound, but my experience couldn't be more different. I've found its gone from nice-to-have to essential-to-have. The difference in quality and effecivenesss between 3 and 4 is huge, as it was from 2 to 3. Basically if anyone is working seriously in Post, they need RX4 advanced, because if they don't they just can't get results as good as the next person, and productions get awfully quick as assuming miracles are now possible. Well, that might be a slight exaggeration if the next person has a Cedar and tens of thousands of dollars of other hardware, but even there I'd expect them to have RX4. Ambience match... That alone is pure magic.

So if there's a similar step up this year, I won't hesitate for a millisecond and pay it gladly. It's essential and magical all at once - can't ask for more than that.

Now come on iZotope, get those details up.

EDIT - all that said, BreakTweaker is in a right old state...

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:30 pm

Full details here - https://www.izotope.com/en/products/pos ... io-editor/

Sadly nothing as obviously groundbreaking as in rx4, but some workflow enhancements and nice-to-haves. I see DeReverb has made it into the regular version, that's a good addition for that product.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:59 pm

is the fact they are calling this 'RX5 Audio Editor' and 'RX5 Advanced Audio Editor' as opposed to 'RX4' and 'RX4 Advanced' some clue as to where they are heading with RX ? ... Now it's RX Final Mix, RX Loudness Control, and RX Audio Editor and RX Advanced Audio Editor .... or all together as 'RX Post Production Suite'. Wasn't RX Advanced effectively RX Post Production Suite...once upon a time ?

I dunno. seems like some shenanigans.

Nspace · Post by **Nspace** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:10 am

"US$99 Upgrade from RX 1-4 Standard to RX 5 Audio Editor"
For a De-reverb, plus flow enhancements is reasonable. Our concerns expressed above were proved groundless.

Good news then! Izotope's RX5 business model seems is friendly with their large last year acquired RX4 customer base (and also the RX1-RX3 owners). Of course, CEDAR, forensic type customers and top studios were happy since the very beginning and still are.
Now we know for certain that they are not only very precise with their music algorithms, but quite also with their marketing ones.

///With this information, Izotope seems only to be missing a successful strategy to get some of us interested (but budget restricted) RX4 users, able to move up into the Advanced version, without cannibalizing their high tier sales.
So far, I have been attentive but there have been no flash sale, no crossgrade offer, limited coupon or else below the US$450 mark, which of course is off limits...

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:23 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
deastman wrote:I was just about to put in a request at my job to order a bunch of copies of RX4 Advanced. Guess I'll hold off until the next one is released!
According to the jrrshop link above, orders from now will include an RX5 upgrade for free (and same deal with Audiodeluxe).

That would be great if I was personally buying it myself and could go through JRR Shop. I'm dealing with a huge corporation with an enormous amount of red tape involved in every purchase and even free updates. If I had procurement buy RX4 now, I wouldn't see another upgrade until probably RX6! So, no, I'll just wait patiently for this one to be released and then jump on it.

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:52 am

OOh

I am really only interested in RX for declick and crackle - for cleaning up recordings of vinyl LPs. It used to be that the full version of those modules was only in the $1000 dollar advanced, that I really couldn't afford.

Am I reading it right that those modules are now in the basic version?

With huge discounts in the Sonnox system at the moment it is a great time for us vinyl scrubbers

iZotope RX5