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Physicists have mapped out how to create quantum music, an experience that will be profoundly different for every member of the audience, they say.

One of the features of 20th century art is its increasing level of abstraction from cubism and surrealism in the early years to abstract expressionism and mathematical photography later. So an interesting question is what further abstractions can we look forward to in the 21th century?

Today we get an answer thanks to the work of Karl Svozil, a theoretical physicist at the University of Technology in Vienna and his pal Volkmar Putz. These guys have mapped out a way of representing music using the strange features of quantum theory. The resulting art is the quantum equivalent of music and demonstrates many of the bizarre properties of the quantum world.

Svozil and Putz begin by discussing just how it might be possible to represent a note or octave of notes in quantum form and by developing the mathematical tools for handling quantum music.

They begin by thinking of the seven notes in a quantum octave as independent events whose probabilities add up to one. In this scenario, quantum music can be represented by a mathematical structure known as a seven-dimensional Hilbert space.

A pure quantum musical state would then be made up of a linear combination of the seven notes with a specific probability associated with each. And a quantum melody would be the evolution of such a state over time.

An audience listening to such a melody would have a bizarre experience. In the classical world, every member of the audience hears the same sequence of notes. But when a quantum musical state is observed, it can collapse into any one of the notes that make it up. The note that is formed is entirely random but the probability that it occurs depends on the precise linear makeup of the state.

And since this process is random for all observer, the resulting note will not be the same for each member of the audience.

Svozil and Puz call this “quantum parallel musical rendition.” “A classical audience may perceive one and the same quantum musical composition very differently,” they say.

As an example they describe the properties of a quantum composition created using two notes: C and G. They show how in one case, a listener might perceive a note as a C in 64 percent of cases and as a G in 36 percent of cases.

They go on to show how a quantum melody of two notes leads to four possible outcomes: a C followed by a G, a G followed by a C, a C followed by a C, and G followed by a G. And they calculate the probability of a listener experiencing these during a given performance. “Thereby one single quantum composition can manifest itself during listening in very different ways,” say Svozil and Putz. This is the world’s first description of a quantum melody.

The researchers go on to discuss the strange quantum phenomenon of entanglement in the context of music. Entanglement is the deep connection between quantum objects that share the same existence even though they may be in different parts of the universe. So a measurement on one immediately influences the other, regardless of the distance between them.

Exactly what form this might take in the quantum musical world isn’t clear. But it opens the prospect of an audience listening to a quantum melody in one part of the universe influencing a quantum melody in another part.

Svozil and Putz also take a stab at developing a notation for quantum music (see picture above).

That takes musical composition to a new level of abstraction. “This offers possibilities of aleatorics in music far beyond the classical aleatoric methods of John Cage and his allies,” they say.

There is one obvious problem, however. Nobody knows how to create quantum music or how a human might be able to experience it. Svozil and Putz’s work is entirely theoretical.

That shouldn’t stop the authors or anybody else from performing a quantum musical composition. It ought to be straightforward to simulate the effect using an ordinary computer and a set of headphones. So instead of quantum music, we could experience a quantum music simulation.

That’s interesting work that has implications for other art forms too. How about quantum sculpture that changes for each observer or a quantum mobile that is entangled with another elsewhere in the universe.

One thing seems clear. Quantum art is coming, or at least the simulation of it.So don’t be surprised if you find a quantum melody playing at an auditorium near you someday soon.

Ref: http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.09045 : Quantum Music

Source : http://www.technologyreview.com/view/53 ... -unveiled/

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WE ALL KNOW that In the basics of quantum physics, a wave can be at the same time a particle and vice versa, that means that the IMAGE SENSOR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor of a camera or film camera can become a microphone and at the same time a player of quantum sounds made by taking pictures or filming things...

Each cell of an image sensor is a wave capturing device. When a light wave strikes the chip OF THE IMAGE SENSOR it is held as a small electrical charge in each photo sensor. The charges are converted to voltage one pixel at a time as they are read from the chip. Additional circuitry in the camera converts the voltage into digital information, that can be easely turned into SOUNDS instead of images...

and each different light waves lengths reflected from the different objects touched by the light of the sun, that come back to the image sensor of the camera, can have their own NOTES, VIBRATION, TONES that could be modulated by a particle detector sensor beside the image wave sensor of the camera

Don't know if any body have ever tried that ? but surely for sure this would take music to a higher step, and give RANDOMISING and HAZARD (that do not really exist as such) a new boost of interest....

Just think ? you film the moon, and all waves and particules detected by the image n particule sensor OF YOUR CAMERA give you immediatly a music OF what refracts (waves n particles) from the moon in your quantum headphones, and if you play it to people on your quantum speakers (redistributing waves and particles), each of the people in the room will hear a different music than what you hear in your quantum headphones...and if they move around in the room, the music will completly change too for each n everyones....WHILE THE SCENERY IS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR ALL contemplating it......

What's more, if a bird cross the sky in front of the moon at this very instant of recording, the whole music change...

This is the FUTUR of Music and it's coming soon

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This stuff is not going to get you a hot date by any means, but it's really interesting to think about stuff like this. Thanks for the food for thought man. Refreshing. :tu:

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OBYONETAOPY wrote:That’s interesting work that has implications for other art forms too. How about quantum sculpture that changes for each observer...
These people have clearly never heard of postmodernism.

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I don't know... It seems like all the paper is really describing is a random note walk, which I hardly consider to be the music of the future. And they don't even propose anything which can actually be implemented.

As for the camera sensor, there are already methods for turning images into sound. Usually this is just static images. Years ago I wrote a program to convert the motion of a video into sound, but not surprisingly, the results were pure hazard.

People have been working on generative music approaches for a very long time. I suggest you spend some time with that Artwonk program I mentioned in one of your other threads. It does Markov chains, it can import sequences from DNA and all kinds of other interesting and useful techniques. Either that or get busy with csound.
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But a simulation of a quantum melody is just a randomized, probability-based stream of notes which is pumped out in parallel (i.e. re-seeded for every listener) and then sent to sets of headphones so each listener gets to hear their version? That's pretty tame compared to an actual acoustic performance that everybody hears differently.

They've already done experiments where quantum fluctuations can affect macroscopic phenomena, so hopefully we can skip the boring simulations and see true, undeniable evidence for every lay-person and scientist alike that the quantum theory isn't just a model, but actually how the universe does it's thing. Or, we can get evidence that this is not the case and move on to a new theory.
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The world is a dynamic mess
Of jiggling things
It’s hard to believe
~Richard Feynman

The essential nature of matter
Lies not in objects, but in interconnections
Like chords of music, it’s beautiful
~Sophia Hoffman

The most famous virtual feline in physics, Schrodinger's cat, was devised by physicist Erwin Schrodinger to describe the hard-to-grasp ideas of quantum physics. And one of the weirdest of the concepts is that of ""quantum entanglement"". Yeah, it's so strange that even Einstein called it ""spooky action at a distance"".

And basically, it means that two particles can somehow instantly communicate with each other even though they may be very very far apart, and this very, very far apart is here the opposite ends of the universe, as an example AMONGST MANY OTHERS .

Let's say in quantum mechanics, two particles can be either black or white, but they can't be both of the same color at the same time. So if you see one particle black, you know that the other one must be white. But if your white one turns black, then your black one turns white, they just have to switch colors. One particule knows about the switching color of the other and IMMEDIATLY change into the other opposite color instantly without being near to each other, EVEN so the particles are ""separated"" (séparated without being separated, as would say the ANCIENT TAOISTS), by huge distances.

So somehow, they can communicate with each other. How can that be ? Well, so far there's no good explanation for that, but that hasn't stopped researchers from trying to put quantum mechanics to work. And they know how weird the world of quantum mechanics is.

A very famous physicist, John Wheeler, has said, if you're not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you don't understand it. Richard Feynman said it's safe to say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. It works great, but if they tell you why they know how it works, they're lying to you, he basically said.

Now try to hear the black and the white particules in making music, the black notes you play on your quantum piano, will be instantly white notes at the end of the universe, and the white notes you play will instantly be black, and that is only on the particule level, but as said above in quantum physic a particule can ALSO be a wave and a wave can ALSO be a particule too, this opens tremendous possibles of harmonies hey ? BUT BE CAREFULL OF "" spooky entanglment "" in your Music Theory ???

IT's a slightly rewriten by me of the copied n pasted text from this source http://www.npr.org/2010/11/12/131274183 ... -mechanics )
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Hah!!! I just knew you'd take a poke at Music Theory. :hihi:

Awhile ago I had done something along the line of randomly placing transducers and various contact microphones in some areas around our house. I ended up with a few minutes of random noises.
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I don't see the point in your rambling, lay-person's summary of quantum physics, other than to say "this stuff is weird and cool!" It doesn't change the fact that what was presented in your initial post only amounts to random note stream. Tapping into the quantum will not produce anything interesting and meaningful at human scale. It can be part of the equation, but it really does call for a more macro-scale structure to imbue meaning to sound.
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OBYONETAOPY wrote:Physicists have mapped out how to create quantum music
So this is like the equivalent of molecular gastronomy ?

First food then morals (i.e. music)

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Numanoid wrote:
OBYONETAOPY wrote:Physicists have mapped out how to create quantum music
So this is like the equivalent of molecular gastronomy ?

First food then morals (i.e. music)
yeap, sort of that in a way, but deeper, on the QUANTUM SIDE, and molecular music gastronomy (food created with music that rearrange the molecules) may be done one day.....

We know sounds can already create forms, in water or starch, see ALEXANDER LAUTERWASSER

http://www.sciencetosage.com/?p=115

and key words : cymatic with starch

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trimph1 wrote:Hah!!! I just knew you'd take a poke at Music Theory. :hihi:
Yeap, could not refrain there :hihi: and I see u have some precognition abilities :hihi:

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LaMonte Young and Marian Zazeela have been doing the analog equivalent with sound, light, shadow, and sculpture in their Dream House for many years now.

With the same source material, no two people see/hear the same thing (which, due to physiology, acoustics, perception and myriad other factors, is true for every other human experience as well). :party:

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Tony Conrad as well...
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