iZotope DDLY presets
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4882 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
iZotope is having a marketing campaign to gain new customers (and old customer back).
As a part of that, they are giving free some nice things (for a limited time), e.g. DDLY dynamic delay.
What is new in this marketing concept, is that there a no inbuilt presets in the DDLY:
the manual gives you "Fun settings to explore" in the written form but you have to adjust each parameters yourself.
And this is not all, the idea is, that the "story" of the DDLY continues: I just got a letter from the iZotope including a new "preset" for the DDLY, "the Grain Delay mode of DDLY Dynamic Delay can be used to provide subtle, rhythmic delays, chorusing, or all out granular chaos. DDLY’s ability to sync grain playback time to the tempo gives it the unique ability to generate wild textures while still keeping things locked down to the rhythm."
I.e. the free DDLY functions a "bridgehead" between the user and iZotope, a new "preset" time to time makes the user to read the iZotope newsletter again and again.
Instead of sending a preset which you could just load, iZotopes idea seems to be letting the user reading the "continuing story of the DDLY" and trying to adjust the parameters according to the written instructions. iZotope has even made a "Recall Sheet" where the user can write the parameter settings.
Interesting marketing, and the product is good - I even like to GUI although noticed many of the KVR users have mocked it. The written preset instructs forces also the user to try each parameter adjusting himself, instead of just loading the preset, which can be useful. Although I like what iZotope is doing (and own most of their products(, hope they would include in addition to all above also the preset in the digital form. Any idea how the load the presets in easier way, in this case?
As a part of that, they are giving free some nice things (for a limited time), e.g. DDLY dynamic delay.
What is new in this marketing concept, is that there a no inbuilt presets in the DDLY:
the manual gives you "Fun settings to explore" in the written form but you have to adjust each parameters yourself.
And this is not all, the idea is, that the "story" of the DDLY continues: I just got a letter from the iZotope including a new "preset" for the DDLY, "the Grain Delay mode of DDLY Dynamic Delay can be used to provide subtle, rhythmic delays, chorusing, or all out granular chaos. DDLY’s ability to sync grain playback time to the tempo gives it the unique ability to generate wild textures while still keeping things locked down to the rhythm."
I.e. the free DDLY functions a "bridgehead" between the user and iZotope, a new "preset" time to time makes the user to read the iZotope newsletter again and again.
Instead of sending a preset which you could just load, iZotopes idea seems to be letting the user reading the "continuing story of the DDLY" and trying to adjust the parameters according to the written instructions. iZotope has even made a "Recall Sheet" where the user can write the parameter settings.
Interesting marketing, and the product is good - I even like to GUI although noticed many of the KVR users have mocked it. The written preset instructs forces also the user to try each parameter adjusting himself, instead of just loading the preset, which can be useful. Although I like what iZotope is doing (and own most of their products(, hope they would include in addition to all above also the preset in the digital form. Any idea how the load the presets in easier way, in this case?
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
I think it is a good strategyHarry_HH wrote:Instead of sending a preset which you could just load, iZotopes idea seems to be letting the user reading the "continuing story of the DDLY" and trying to adjust the parameters according to the written instructions. iZotope has even made a "Recall Sheet" where the user can write the parameter settings.
It is retro-cool in the sense that this is how it was done in the 70's when users bought patch books for their synths, and dialed in settings by looking at a sheet
Not getting presets pre-installed, but having to dial them in from a sheet, also makes me think more about the possibilites of tweaking, and it helps me understand better how a plug works.
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- KVRian
- 881 posts since 28 Sep, 2012 from Norway
Yes, when I just had bought the Doepfer Dark Energy, I found settings on forums and dialled them in, while playing as I tweaked so I heard what went on. Good way to learn when new to analog stuff.Numanoid wrote:I think it is a good strategyHarry_HH wrote:Instead of sending a preset which you could just load, iZotopes idea seems to be letting the user reading the "continuing story of the DDLY" and trying to adjust the parameters according to the written instructions. iZotope has even made a "Recall Sheet" where the user can write the parameter settings.
It is retro-cool in the sense that this is how it was done in the 70's when users bought patch books for their synths, and dialed in settings by looking at a sheet
Not getting presets pre-installed, but having to dial them in from a sheet, also makes me think more about the possibilites of tweaking, and it helps me understand better how a plug works.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4882 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
Yeah, as wrote in my OP, I like what iZotope is doing - however, I think they could do it even better. No presets - continuing "new feature" story could stay, but the user could save and recall the preset he/she has created.
This would improve the marketing concept and "grapewine" because in this way the users would most likely create and share their own presets and in the same time discuss and sort of keep iZotope name in the forum headers.
Plugin without the save-function is not the most practical when wanting to create same effect in different projects.
This would improve the marketing concept and "grapewine" because in this way the users would most likely create and share their own presets and in the same time discuss and sort of keep iZotope name in the forum headers.
Plugin without the save-function is not the most practical when wanting to create same effect in different projects.
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- KVRAF
- 16373 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
I'm hoping they release a rack to house this new line of creative effects (incl. vinyl), to be released at a rate of 3-a-year, at 50$ each
The rack will of course allow preset saving
The rack will of course allow preset saving
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
Wait a minute. I missed that. There's no SAVE function on the freebie? I just got this but haven't installed it. While I get the 'no presets' thing, if there's no save function, I would rather 'save' myself the frustration and not install it at all.Harry_HH wrote:Yeah, as wrote in my OP, I like what iZotope is doing - however, I think they could do it even better. No presets - continuing "new feature" story could stay, but the user could save and recall the preset he/she has created.
This would improve the marketing concept and "grapewine" because in this way the users would most likely create and share their own presets and in the same time discuss and sort of keep iZotope name in the forum headers.
Plugin without the save-function is not the most practical when wanting to create same effect in different projects.
Thanks for the heads up.
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
Have you tried working with it on a laptop or tablet in bright sunshine? Under those conditions, there practically is no GUI. But, hey, it's free.Harry_HH wrote: I even like to GUI although noticed many of the KVR users have mocked it.
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- KVRAF
- 1894 posts since 12 Mar, 2004
Your host should be able to save presets even if the plugin does not, I have no issues here saving presets for this in Maschine/Reaper/Studio One/Tracktion, and they all show the preset in their own list, some hosts may not have their own preset system but will still allow preset save, I can save a preset and reload it in Renoise, it doesn't show in a list in Renoise (Keep in mind that Renoise is very behind the curve in terms of development) but you can save and load presets.
That being said, there is nothing so spectacular about this uggliest of ugly plugins that just sounds OK, nothing more, in fact the most interesting thing is that Izotope either could not be bothered to put preset saving in to the plugin and then come up with some nonsense campaign or indeed purposely did not bother putting in preset saving and came up with some nonsense campaign, either way this is 2016 and anybody who falls for "No presets is good" well they deserve everything they get, the reality is nothing to do with this or that being good, it is free, so you get what you get and that's that.
That being said, there is nothing so spectacular about this uggliest of ugly plugins that just sounds OK, nothing more, in fact the most interesting thing is that Izotope either could not be bothered to put preset saving in to the plugin and then come up with some nonsense campaign or indeed purposely did not bother putting in preset saving and came up with some nonsense campaign, either way this is 2016 and anybody who falls for "No presets is good" well they deserve everything they get, the reality is nothing to do with this or that being good, it is free, so you get what you get and that's that.
Duh
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4882 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
Yes, I think there's some kind of programming error, the interface should be brighter when the module is active, now its just dim or dimmer. My guess, its just matter of one missprogrammed parameter.garryknight wrote:Have you tried working with it on a laptop or tablet in bright sunshine? Under those conditions, there practically is no GUI. But, hey, it's free.Harry_HH wrote: I even like to GUI although noticed many of the KVR users have mocked it.
But thats the only shortage, otherwise very intuitive GUI. (plus the missing "save", of course). You can create cool stuff with this plugin.
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- KVRAF
- 6254 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
Yeah, this occurred to me right after I hit 'send.'bungle wrote:Your host should be able to save presets even if the plugin does not...
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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- Banned
- 2238 posts since 19 Dec, 2014
this intentional omission of a preset functionality, is contrived - phoney - gimmicky bullshit. host workarounds notwithstanding.
it's sad to see gullible people applaud them for it, but I suppose it vindicates izotope in some way that the gimmick was worth implementing.
it's sad to see gullible people applaud them for it, but I suppose it vindicates izotope in some way that the gimmick was worth implementing.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
There is no inbuilt preset manager in DDLY, but that is no problem, as you can save any tweakings and patches you do in DDLY in your DAW.BERFAB wrote:Wait a minute. I missed that. There's no SAVE function on the freebie?
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Can't remember that you posted that in the Charlatan threadDaags wrote:this intentional omission of a preset functionality, is contrived - phoney - gimmicky bullshit. host workarounds notwithstanding.
Most VSTs and VSTi's come with presets, but many of them come without an inbuilt preset manager.
You then just save new patches inside your DAW of choice.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
This is how the wrapper in FL Studio 11 handles presets, so most def DDLY presets can be saved and recalled
I know FL Studio is probably the most advaced DAW there is, but I guess other DAWs also have similar functions
I know FL Studio is probably the most advaced DAW there is, but I guess other DAWs also have similar functions
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- Banned
- 2238 posts since 19 Dec, 2014
Charlatan thread ? what charlatan thread ? what is charlatan, infact ? if I'm not already posting in the thread why would you suppose I should be commenting on its preset system ? tongue-poking-out smiley notwithstanding.Numanoid wrote: Can't remember that you posted that in the Charlatan thread
perhaps unlike you, i don't visit this forum out of abject boredom and bone idleness...and so I only read and comment on threads I have some kind of genuine interest - that is the primary reason I'm not in the charlatan thread. In this case, I'll download the izotope freebies - so I'm interested in topics about them at the moment. And so this is my opinion on this artificial ommission of a preset saving system ...
and by the way, please note that in this instance I am suggesting it is contrived, phoney and gimmicky. to me, their motivations seem clear. another plug might not have a preset saving system built in and the reasons for this may not seem gimmicky or contrived, to me or to others. i hope you can manage to wrap your head around that concept