i just cannot decide for the 3 mentioned in the title
what are your experiences, what would you recommend from those?
KRK 10s, Presonus Temblor T10 or M-Audio BX?
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- KVRAF
- 9642 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
i got a pair of Adam A7X for 5 years and love em, i always wanted to get some subwoofer and finally tested some but im no pro in how to test a subwoofer, i send back the SUB 7 as it was too small, the SUB 8 a bit pricey for what it offered and only 8"...
i just cannot decide for the 3 mentioned in the title
what are your experiences, what would you recommend from those?
i just cannot decide for the 3 mentioned in the title
what are your experiences, what would you recommend from those?
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- KVRist
- 439 posts since 7 Mar, 2011 from Pleasanton, CA
I have the 10s with a pair of VXT 6s and love it.
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester
The Adam A7X whilst it doesn't add as much weight as those three (smaller cone and all that, so the extension will be slightly less), it does give a far, far more tonely accurate response which is normally the way to go with monitoring.
Have you bass trapped your room and treated your room? Before you pick up another sub, you may wish to look into doing so, and maybe revisiting the Adam, as I suspect you may have room mode problems if the Sub 7 was lacking in your setup. (well unless your room is huge)
Have you bass trapped your room and treated your room? Before you pick up another sub, you may wish to look into doing so, and maybe revisiting the Adam, as I suspect you may have room mode problems if the Sub 7 was lacking in your setup. (well unless your room is huge)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9642 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
thanks mate, nope i didnt treat my room yet and i know i should beKaine wrote:The Adam A7X whilst it doesn't add as much weight as those three (smaller cone and all that, so the extension will be slightly less), it does give a far, far more tonely accurate response which is normally the way to go with monitoring.
Have you bass trapped your room and treated your room? Before you pick up another sub, you may wish to look into doing so, and maybe revisiting the Adam, as I suspect you may have room mode problems if the Sub 7 was lacking in your setup. (well unless your room is huge)
, i read a lot that the adam Subs are good but overpriced and after having ordered now the 3 in the title i can also tell that i am disappointed with the Adam Sub for the price cause either treated or not the Sub 8 couldnt go as deep and higher volumed as e.g. the presonus. also no HP/Bypass switch/port was just shocking for me. i love my Adam monitors and didnt hear anything better suited to me yet but the subs 7 and 8 were very underwhelming. of course my final judgment can be only made if i would have a well treated place.so far from my listening:
M-Audio BX = ok for slow sub basses, for techno etc. it seems to be muddier...
Presonus Temblor T10 = nice round basses, this one surprises me and is in heavy competition with the KRK 10s for now, even i dont like KRK Monitors (not neutral at all!) the subwoofer seems nice.
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester
The are certainly a difference between units that are loud and pump a lot of air, and those that are tonely correct, although how important that is to you, I honestly don't know. If your doing liquid DnB or another genre that requires overly musical sub-lines then the is a danger of really needing to spend a fair bit more to get the accurate response needed. However if your doing techno/trance etc... where the bass itself tends to sit a bit higher and the subs are less musical and more tonal where you just need the weight behind them, then your more likely to be fine with those options, so it's not that I would say the Adam sub's are overpriced (compared with "great" subs, they are bargain basement), they are good for what they are within their design spec, its more just that they might not be what you want or need in this instance.
The ADAMS can manage down to 25Htz smoothly and normally PA rigs in clubs get rolled off above 35Htz, so it generally isn't a big problem to deal with, although this is why I was concerned that you might be experiencing room modal issues. Really, on a good monitoring sub you shouldn't even really notice it, it should just be there to fill out the bottom couple of octaves and help the mid-range driver out which by not having to work so hard, which in turn improves the midrange sound too.
Anyhow, back to the real question in hand, my concern here with those 3 subs is that as they not matched to the speakers, so the frequency cross over roll offs might prove to be different on the various units. For instance if the speakers have a 24db cross over filter and the sub has a fixed 18db then your going to get a peak that will skew some frequencies. In real terms that will sound bigger and fuller, but it'll be bloody hard to monitor on them accurately once you sit down and try and work on them. Thankfully it looks like a couple if not all three, allow you to run the speakers via the sub with a cross over in there, so as long as you make the satellite speakers full range and then let the sub's crossover do the hard work, you should be alright in these regards, but something to make sure of whilst testing.
The fact your auditioning them all now means that only you can really decide on which one your happy with over there, just a shame you couldn't treat it first as the sound of those subs is going to change substantially in that room once you do!
The ADAMS can manage down to 25Htz smoothly and normally PA rigs in clubs get rolled off above 35Htz, so it generally isn't a big problem to deal with, although this is why I was concerned that you might be experiencing room modal issues. Really, on a good monitoring sub you shouldn't even really notice it, it should just be there to fill out the bottom couple of octaves and help the mid-range driver out which by not having to work so hard, which in turn improves the midrange sound too.
Anyhow, back to the real question in hand, my concern here with those 3 subs is that as they not matched to the speakers, so the frequency cross over roll offs might prove to be different on the various units. For instance if the speakers have a 24db cross over filter and the sub has a fixed 18db then your going to get a peak that will skew some frequencies. In real terms that will sound bigger and fuller, but it'll be bloody hard to monitor on them accurately once you sit down and try and work on them. Thankfully it looks like a couple if not all three, allow you to run the speakers via the sub with a cross over in there, so as long as you make the satellite speakers full range and then let the sub's crossover do the hard work, you should be alright in these regards, but something to make sure of whilst testing.
The fact your auditioning them all now means that only you can really decide on which one your happy with over there, just a shame you couldn't treat it first as the sound of those subs is going to change substantially in that room once you do!