KVR Audio

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:03 pm

I've been using a sock type filter for vocals,but my vocalist is huge on plosives so I end up fixing it anyway.I don't like the way it attenuates the high end and thins the bottom.
I went to the local shop and I'm being told to buy a metal pop filter instead of the old mesh one.
Is he just after more money or are the metal ones better?I'm not a vocal expert so I don't know.
Also ,,any tricks to get rid of plosives in vocals would be appreciated,,maybe its the mic,I'm using an AKG,forget the model he's got it with him...
thanx folks for all the help I've got here

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:05 pm

I've got a cloth mesh one on mine. Watch enough 'pop star' interviews, and you'll see mostly cloth mesh ones as well. I think someone's after cashola.

If the plosives are so bad though, back off the mic from the pop filter. I usually only have to worry about sibiliance and remove it with Sound Forge.

Devon

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:12 pm

Is that ,move the filter back away from mic but still have mouth rite on the filter?
Are you using dynamic or condenser?
thanx dev,I value your opinion....

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:57 pm

i use a 10 cent bit of shadecloth (black 50%) with a sort of 'ribbon weave;' big holes, heavy material, lovely for it.

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:43 pm

The metal ones do sound more natural. You can still get muddy wind noise through the fabric-types not to mention they aren't transparent to sound.

Depending on your singer, mic, and noisefloor, you might not even notice a difference. ("your signal is only as good as your weakest link in the chain")

The best trick I know is the ol' "put 2 mics up"-

one mic with a windscreen, have the singer sing in to a mic positioned very near this windscreen. Then place a second mic above this mic maybe a foot off the singer, pointing down towards his mouth.

Let the singer hear the lower mic. The singer will direct his plosives at the windscreen and the mic behind it. Record both but only use one. Chances are the top one will sound better (less proximity effect etc) but sometimes the lower will work better. It really depends so much on the singer etc.

On one record (a band from London I worked with called Serial P.O.P.) we comped between the two mics on different parts of all songs. Everyone was glad we spent the time to record this way.

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:48 pm

Thats a great idea,,but did you use the same type of mic for the overhead?I know a condenser is usually used further away..

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:05 pm

yeah, I used a dynamic on the lower mic (altec 633).
Top mic was the Telefunken M49. Yum.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:40 pm

I'm using a condensor mic (Audio Technica ATM-33r). Got great results here to kill them darn plosives. Like Bitcrusher said though, depends on the vocalist. I was doing voice overs, not singing.

Devon

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:56 pm

I'm setting up an overhead now for tonites session,,you couldn't email me that telefunken for the evening could ya...I think I'm going to get that Shure metal filter anyway,,more natural like you say, is what I was told,,might as well have one around.
Also I think he tries to b and p his way over the headphone mix,sometimes,maybe I'll try sending less tracks down the pipe..

thanx bitcrusher...

vtx · Post by **vtx** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:56 pm

Metal or mesh pop filters