More modes for multiband modules

[Alphacodex]

Hi,

I recently learned that the multiband modules in various melda plugins can not only split the incoming signal by frequencies but also by volume levels for example.
Now I thought if it would also be possible to add more modes like splitting up the signal in "two bands" transient and non-transients (as in the mxxx examples). M/S splitting as a would be very versatile (or is that already possible?). If it was added to the multiband base module, we could use that splitting modes in every MMulti... Plugin by default.

Cheers,
Codex

[jmg8]

Both already there.

Mid/Side:
OK, so select 2 bands and change the crossover mode to Mid/Side.
Now move the crossover ALL the way to the left.
You wont be able to click on it, so to select this band use the arrows to switch between bands.
Band 1 is Mid, band 2 is side. Done.

Transient split:
Select 2 bands and change the crossover mode to level.
Now attach a modulator to the level parameter.
Change the modulator to follower mode and increase the transient modulation to 100%.
Now solo band 2 and adjust the crossover until you can only hear the transients.
If you need further control, open the modulator and use the attack, hold and release settings to get the transient just right.
Band 1 is Tail/Release, band 2 is Transient/Attack. Done.

[ericzang]

cool!

[Alphacodex]

Damn Melda stuff is so powerful, when you really know how to use it!!
Will the transient mode be some sort of emulation of the transient splitting that a "real" transient shaper does or is this "the real thing". I have never really tried to understand how a transient shapre technically really splits the signals.

[MeldaProduction]

It's probably the real thing if I remember correctly .
Transient shapers basically compare the current level to the average level somehow and if the current level is higher, it's usually a transient. That's the very simple explanation, in practice it's a little more complex.

[Alphacodex]

@jmg8
Mmhp... I really tried hard to recreate the 2band transient multiband split with your hints but couldn't get to the point. When I solo band 2 in the end and move the crossover level around, it wont give me the transients at any point. I must have done something wrong.
Also the modulator is only moving the "gray area" a tiny bit.

What is the modulator actually supposed to do? It detects the transients and then...?
When I set the multiband mode to levels that means as long as the input stays below -12dB as an example it get the processing of band 1 and as soon (and as long) the input is louder than -12dB it gets the processing of band 2. That's about how far I understand the idea... now what is the next step to really split the transients into band 2?

Thank you for helping!!
Codex

[jmg8]

Ok, so first watch this video I made a while back. The only difference in the video is that I dont use the transient modulation in the follower.
If you still need help after that, just ask. I will send you over a present to try.

[Alphacodex]

Thank you for the video, I will try tomorrow. However I already had a light bulb moment regarding the level multiband crossover mode. As it seems "level" is just a placeholder or a variable to determine in which band the signal is processed, it does nothing by itself if it is not modulated. It might as well had been named "band position" or similar.
It only reacts to the volume of the signal if an envelope follower is routed to that parameter.

[vectorwarrior]

That's correct yes. It's called level because that's the intended use case but you can attach whatever you like to it, eg LFO, pitch follower, random modulator, transient detector (via the follower), multiparameter, envelope, etc.