KVR Audio

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:57 am

Hello,

Looking to upgrade my current two top monitors.
The combined resolution of my two studio monitors is about 2944 X 1200
viewtopic.php?p=6603264

The bottom is a 23” multi-touch monitor.
http://www.viewsonic.com/us/td2340-s.html

Windows 10 with powerful machine and GTX 970 good for 3 monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814127850

Prefer a single monitor but will consider a single TV.
Use it for Music making and Photoshop work.
Yes I would love to have all monitors to be multi-touch but large
multi-touch high resolution monitors are just too expensive.
In the future I may add the clear multi-touch kit.

Diagonal 40”. Resolution 3840 x 2160 at 60hz .
Flat, not curved. Edit: Lets's include curved.

Max about $500.

Two more items that may be important for Photoshop work:
I should be able to calibrate the monitor
Back lit rather than edge lit.

An interesting thread:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=454048&start=30

40” 4k TV’s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... -UHD-TVs_1

40” 4k Monitors
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... ageSize=36

on Ebay from Best Buy $375
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-40-Clas ... SwiDFYOl72
More on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 ... acat=58058

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:51 am

Diagonal 40”. Flat, not curved. Resolution 3840 x 2160 at 60hz .

Max about $500.

You won't get 40 inches that cheap, what you pay for is mostly screen size. Especially with good quality.

Also, I never saw anyone working on 40-inch monitor, especially flat. Are you sure you will be able to see the whole image?

Go for 28 inch, then upscale apps to 150% depending on our needs.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:21 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
Diagonal 40”. Flat, not curved. Resolution 3840 x 2160 at 60hz .

Max about $500.
You won't get 40 inches that cheap, what you pay for is mostly screen size. Especially with good quality.

Also, I never saw anyone working on 40-inch monitor, especially flat. Are you sure you will be able to see the whole image?

Go for 28 inch, then upscale apps to 150% depending on our needs.

I had a 32", a 43" and now use a 4k 49" KS7000 TV for a monitor. Best idea I've had as far as monitors go as I can't fault it. It has the same pixel density as a 32" 2560x1440 monitor but extends out 12" wider.

43" is the best screen size for regular 4k monitor. Large enough to see everything clearly but not too big so you have to move your head around to see all the screen.

re: 150% upscale? don't be daft. What's the point of paying extra for 4k if you're going to then limit the pixel resolution back down to 1440p?

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:06 pm

re: 150% upscale? don't be daft. What's the point of paying extra for 4k if you're going to then limit the pixel resolution back down to 1440p

The guy wanted monitor for photoshop at 500$ max. Certainly you won't get 4K TV for 500$, or prove me wrong.
With my proposal images will be still rendered at 4K, but other things can be upscaled (if needed).

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:35 pm

Samsung KU6xx0 do both 40" and 43". My 43" KU6400 was £540 and that was upper mid tier of that lineup. There are others like the UE40KU6000 (UK model) cost £370 as they don't have the 10bit panel, HDR or posh remote with voice recognition etc.

To put this into perspective. I bought a well reviewed (9/10) 32" 2560x1400 monitor in Feb last year for £410 in a sale. The £540 43" 4k TV when placed into "PC mode" had a far better picture in every way possible. When the two screens were side by side, the 32" monitors image looked like it was a no brand throw away screen rather than a top line screen.

Don't just buy any cheap 4k TV though. Look for something with a low input latency. Under 50ms is fine for desktop use. Under 35ms is generally fine for gaming. Samsungs are 20-25ms, which seem to be the best so far.

Certainly you won't get 4K TV for 500$, or prove me wrong.

There's a link some in the OP which you probably didn't click.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:46 pm

49 Inch 4K TV for $409 Canadian at COSCO (= 310 USD) ... so yes large format 4K TVs are indeed available for under $500 USD. This isn't a misprint either. I was there in person earlier this week.

http://www.costco.ca/Haier-49UF2500-49- ... 16053.html

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:36 pm

wickfut wrote:
DJ Warmonger wrote:
Diagonal 40”. Flat, not curved. Resolution 3840 x 2160 at 60hz .

Max about $500.
You won't get 40 inches that cheap, what you pay for is mostly screen size. Especially with good quality.

Also, I never saw anyone working on 40-inch monitor, especially flat. Are you sure you will be able to see the whole image?

Go for 28 inch, then upscale apps to 150% depending on our needs.
I had a 32", a 43" and now use a 4k 49" KS7000 TV for a monitor. Best idea I've had as far as monitors go as I can't fault it. It has the same pixel density as a 32" 2560x1440 monitor but extends out 12" wider.

43" is the best screen size for regular 4k monitor. Large enough to see everything clearly but not too big so you have to move your head around to see all the screen.

Good to hear from a 4K large screen user. You had several large screens so I value your experience. Yea the extra real estate with extra pixels helps the work flow.

In my case I really cannot go over 40”. Are you saying that the windows and text will be too small?

In selecting a TV or monitor are there any specs that I should be looking for? Are the budget 4K 40” TV’s ok?

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:55 pm

Scotty wrote:49 Inch 4K TV for $409 Canadian at COSCO (= 310 USD) ... so yes large format 4K TVs are indeed available for under $500 USD. This isn't a misprint either. I was there in person earlier this week.

http://www.costco.ca/Haier-49UF2500-49- ... 16053.html

I checked out US Costco and Sams Club but had no luck.

Perhaps I should also look at curved screens?
I know I said flat only.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:03 pm

wickfut wrote:Samsung KU6xx0 do both 40" and 43". My 43" KU6400 was £540 and that was upper mid tier of that lineup. There are others like the UE40KU6000 (UK model) cost £370 as they don't have the 10bit panel, HDR or posh remote with voice recognition etc.

To put this into perspective. I bought a well reviewed (9/10) 32" 2560x1400 monitor in Feb last year for £410 in a sale. The £540 43" 4k TV when placed into "PC mode" had a far better picture in every way possible. When the two screens were side by side, the 32" monitors image looked like it was a no brand throw away screen rather than a top line screen.

Don't just buy any cheap 4k TV though. Look for something with a low input latency. Under 50ms is fine for desktop use. Under 35ms is generally fine for gaming. Samsungs are 20-25ms, which seem to be the best so far.

Certainly you won't get 4K TV for 500$, or prove me wrong.
There's a link some in the OP which you probably didn't click.

So now I am looking mostly at Samsung 40" 4K.

There are many available but how does one differentiate between them.
One can go mad trying to see the features and quality vs price of so many models.

Unfortunately the $375 Samsung deal on the OP is no longer available.
I may stop at hhgregg, Sears, Best Buy, Kmart and Walmart to check out them out.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Kalamata Kid wrote: Good to hear from a 4K large screen user. You had several large screens so I value your experience. Yea the extra real estate with extra pixels helps the work flow.

In my case I really cannot go over 40”. Are you saying that the windows and text will be too small?

In selecting a TV or monitor are there any specs that I should be looking for? Are the budget 4K 40” TV’s ok?

I can't imagine trying to program some VSTs (reaktor synths especially) on a 27" 4k monitor.

Some TVs have a high input lag. This is the time that it takes for the screen to process and display the image. Usually, this isn't an issue when you're sat back watching a movie, but when you're controlling a mouse and the mouse pointer reacts slightly behind your hand movement it becomes an annoyance. Some people are fine with it, personally I can't stand it. Samsung seem to be the best in this area. All other 4k TV brands start at 35ms and go right up to over 100ms. Samsungs in "game mode" start around 20ms and in "PC mode" have around 30-35 ms. My old monitor had a 30 ms input lag so it's in the same range as a normal none-gaming monitor.

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

Only other thing is to make sure the TV supports HDMI 2.0 as that is 60hz @ 4k at either full RGB or 4:4:4 chroma. Some older TVs can't do it as they have older HDMI versions which either give you 60hz @ 4:2:0 which will either give you less colours or make the image look blured, or force you to use 30hz refresh, which you don't want.

Last if you do get a TV, some of them have a PWM backlight which adjusts speed depending on how bright you set the backlight. Some people set their backlights low and notice flickering, it's like fluorescent light but only shows up on pure grey/white images. I find it best to have the backlight set to full and lower the screen brightness via the brightness/contrast controls to minimise the effects of this.

Good luck

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:08 pm

Well, it seems that prices you mentioned are significatnly lower than in Poland

It also seems that small 4K TVs in general are cheaper than comparable PC monitors, never expected that

I also have a question to wickfut. Are you really able to operate the Loom in this resolution? How does huge screen scale with mouse precision? Is it easy / fast to navigate such screen with mouse?

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:23 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote: I also have a question to wickfut. Are you really able to operate the Loom in this resolution? How does huge screen scale with mouse precision? Is it easy / fast to navigate such screen with mouse?

Loom is fine.

On mine (49") loom is about 11" wide. Which measures roughly C3 to G4 on my keyboard. But, I can fit 4 of them happily on the width of the screen.

As for your mouse precision, you just up the mouse sensitivity a touch. Mine is set so the mouse moves 5" and the pointer travels the entire screen from left to right.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:55 pm

FL Studio is now 100% vectorial allowing it to be used on 4, 5 or even 8K monitors with pin-sharp fidelity.
Are any other DAW's vectorial?

jdnz · Post by **jdnz** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:08 pm

wickfut wrote: Only other thing is to make sure the TV supports HDMI 2.0 as that is 60hz @ 4k at either full RGB or 4:4:4 chroma. Some older TVs can't do it as they have older HDMI versions which either give you 60hz @ 4:2:0 which will either give you less colours or make the image look blured, or force you to use 30hz refresh, which you don't want.

also be aware that the number of video cards with a hdmi 2.0 output is still quite low - so unless you've got the right card the only output that can do 4k@60hz is the displayport. Thankfully there's a few decent active displayport to hdmi2.0 adaptors now, but it's one more thing to budget for.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:29 pm

jdnz wrote:
wickfut wrote: Only other thing is to make sure the TV supports HDMI 2.0 as that is 60hz @ 4k at either full RGB or 4:4:4 chroma. Some older TVs can't do it as they have older HDMI versions which either give you 60hz @ 4:2:0 which will either give you less colours or make the image look blured, or force you to use 30hz refresh, which you don't want.
also be aware that the number of video cards with a hdmi 2.0 output is still quite low - so unless you've got the right card the only output that can do 4k@60hz is the displayport. Thankfully there's a few decent activate displayport to hdmi2.0 adaptors now, but it's one more thing to budget for.

MSI GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 100ME
https://us.msi.com/Graphics-card/GTX-97 ... cification
I cannot see if this card will work

Edit. Yes I found it
HDMI Connectors: 3840x2160 @60 Hz (2.0)

Which 4k monitor to get