The hardest and saddest decision about making music..
- KVRist
- 103 posts since 28 Feb, 2016
Ive been thinking this lately: Whats more important: doing what you love or survival? I have to decide whether to go all in with music with a huge risk of failure, or assuring a long and comfortable life. Yes i know people do make a living with music but what are the chances of actually being successful? I think it takes a lot of luck, more than hard work: you need to be in the right place at the right time. Your tastes( in what you like and what you create) need to match the desires of a good amount of people at that point in history. I mean how long can i keep making what i like and expect others to feel the same way? Eventually i will have to give in and care what others think. I dont have the confidence in myself to match peoples desires with mine. So im just trying to decide whats better: surving a long potentually unsatisfying life or a risky life doing what i love
I dont mean to get all negative but these are just some ideas ive been intrigued with lately...
Feel free to share your thoughts based on your experiences with success or failures
I dont mean to get all negative but these are just some ideas ive been intrigued with lately...
Feel free to share your thoughts based on your experiences with success or failures
what did I do to deserve?
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- KVRAF
- 1800 posts since 10 Feb, 2007
I always choose for survival.
And that survival gave me the chance to do music (without earnings, I give my music away for free).
And that survival gave me the chance to do music (without earnings, I give my music away for free).
- KVRAF
- 16853 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
+1.manducator wrote:I always choose for survival.
And that survival gave me the chance to do music (without earnings, I give my music away for free).
In highschool I had two hobbies: programming computers & playing guitar. So at daytime it's ICT, rock band in the weekends. Have both is better. You don't have to choose.
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- KVRAF
- 9091 posts since 28 May, 2005 from Netherneverlands
Why do you have to decide? Some big has come up that you must decide to quit your job and go all in?handoman wrote:I have to decide whether to go all in with music with a huge risk of failure, or assuring a long and comfortable life.
If not, just keep the job, keep the hobby and work slowly on getting recognition for you music. Go on bandcamp, youtube, maybe try to do some soundtrack work for indie game developers, etc. Maybe do some awesome song covers on youtube to get people to follow you, etc.
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
It's unlikely to earn for living from music, so better get a well-paid job. You can also try to get some money as plugin developer, mix/mastering engineer or music teacher. But not quite from doing just what you want - there are millions of musicans in the world who would like to do the same 
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- KVRAF
- 10160 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
You do realise very few musicians get to give up their day jobs, they have to balance both, that's the norm, despite having released multiple albums and doing gigs.
'Starving artist' exists as a common saying for a reason.
'Starving artist' exists as a common saying for a reason.
- KVRAF
- 4801 posts since 1 Aug, 2005 from Warszawa, Poland
You can never be sure of length... (does this qualify for outta context quote?)handoman wrote:or assuring a long and comfortable life.
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- Banned
- 3878 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats
Survival.
I have few friends in pretty famous and big rockbands, and they still do have day jobs for winter time.
Personally I don't make any money with my music... yet... but slowly I'm getting more and more stuff done and at some point, stuff good enough that people will buy it/want to come to gigs.
When it's time for me to decide, I'll definitely go with music but it needs to be an easy, natural switch that doesn't affect my family negatively. I can eat my nails for few weeks easily but kids need more food
I have few friends in pretty famous and big rockbands, and they still do have day jobs for winter time.
Personally I don't make any money with my music... yet... but slowly I'm getting more and more stuff done and at some point, stuff good enough that people will buy it/want to come to gigs.
When it's time for me to decide, I'll definitely go with music but it needs to be an easy, natural switch that doesn't affect my family negatively. I can eat my nails for few weeks easily but kids need more food
- KVRAF
- 10160 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Nice tunes by the way, though your obviously heavily influenced by BOC
- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
'Making music' as a career isn't quite impossible, but 'being a pop star' more or less is; the number of acts with any kind of lifespan (ie those not winding up having to get get a proper job five years later anyway) is so small as to be marginal; Im pretty convinced everybody in the UK has someone they know who's been signed to a major label, maybe even been on Top of the Pops once but now works as an IT or banking drone. The majority of professional musicians out there are jobbing musicians, not the folk you see on TV. They're in wedding bands, pub bands, do sessions, teaching etc etc. They don't necessarily get a chance to indulge their pop star fantasies, and its hard work, not necessarily that well paid.
If you want to make music because you love it, its fine to get a 'proper job', and support the thing you love in your spare time. There are an awful lot of 'amateur' musicians out there who are very talented, and happy doing the thing they love exactly the way they want to with no compromises. That last bit might not happen if you're driven by having to make money, btw. If you want to make music because you think you'll make your fortune and be a star, get a proper job, and grow up.
If you want to make music because you love it, its fine to get a 'proper job', and support the thing you love in your spare time. There are an awful lot of 'amateur' musicians out there who are very talented, and happy doing the thing they love exactly the way they want to with no compromises. That last bit might not happen if you're driven by having to make money, btw. If you want to make music because you think you'll make your fortune and be a star, get a proper job, and grow up.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35505 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Didnt sound like Blue Oyster Cult to me.VariKusBrainZ wrote:Nice tunes by the way, though your obviously heavily influenced by BOC
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 18 Mar, 2003 from Jacksonville, FL
This is really what it comes down to. If someone is waving a huge contract in your face, you just had a record sell too much that you have to hit the road to support it, or you have a big paid project you are working on that is taking you away from your other job, then yes, you are at a crossroads. Otherwise, I can't think of any other reason you would risk the years of starvation and daily fears of failure.Nielzie wrote: Why do you have to decide? Some big has come up that you must decide to quit your job and go all in?
If you are starting from scratch and feel like going all in is going to get you paid, the odds are ridiculously not in your favor.
Even I was offended by what I was going to put here.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
take it from me (and those who know what the hell I just went through and if you dont there's a thread in ot classics)...music can help with one's survival in ways other than monetary. Last fall wasn't the first time for me either, a tragic accident in 96 also almost swamped me but I turned to music to pull me through.
IMHO, that's the "gift"
IMHO, that's the "gift"
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