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KoolKool · Post by **KoolKool** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:45 am

maybe one day i make a nice track and get popular,but someone accuse me for ripping off other track of other artist.... just because there is small part in that track sound "striking resemblance" to my....

but how the hell do i know? i compose everything from A-Z naturally, i didn't copy any midi melody lines and rewrite anything, sure i listen alots of music, but all i take is just influence, and maybe just start with same scale, root key...

there are million form of melodies, million tracks, million composers...from the stone age to now....
so how the hell can i listen to all and know what to avoid to make something completely different?

Robert Miles - Children is super classic dance track, but is it really really original? no, my friend used to have faith, but then the more he into music,the more being a hardcore listener, he just lost! and like many many listeners, put too much expectation into their favourite artists!

i sure robert miles didn't aware such a matter like that! how the hell did he know?

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:00 am

How to avoid being accused "rip off"?

Avoid dumb people. They dwell in the Internet.

slipstick · Post by **slipstick** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:30 pm

It depends what exactly you're talking about. There's quite a difference between sampling a riff from someone else's track and writing a melody which sounds similar to something else.

For a start it's not easy to imagine that anyone could not know that they are using a sample. Not knowing that someone else has used the same notes in the same order is easy to believe but a sampled riff from another track sneaking it's way into your track without you noticing...I don't think so.

Steve

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:00 pm

Don't worry, "Children" melody is so simple it recalls everything, from ringtones to lullabies. It is no coincidence he called it "children". I guess you can find thousands of "children" similar/identical songs around the world. It is not complex enough to be taken into account (no matter if the Russian band there "composed" it years before). Plagiarism is more a led zeppelin's issue, IMO. Meaning: complex harmonic progressions and melodies, more than 8 cues etc. AND EVEN IN THIS CASE "rip off" is difficult to be shown (see "Stairway to Heaven" trial).

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:04 pm

Frankly, i couldn't care less if someone re-uses another melody, if the track itself happens to be different enough. You just can't avoid re-using certain melodies, especially in certain genres.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:08 pm

I would say it is impossible, especially in pop music. That is why it often happens that unknown artists who sold 3-4 copies of their unknown songs use to claim "hey, that rockstar stole my melody". It's just for money, with a good lawyer they hope to make a fortune.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:08 pm

"Talent borrows, genius steals"

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:11 pm

donkey tugger wrote:"Talent borrows, genius steals"

You took the words right out of my mouth

KoolKool · Post by **KoolKool** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:52 am

so...it is super hard to be purely original these day?

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:38 am

If your aim is to make mainstream music, then originality shouldn't be your main concern.

OreoSplitter · Post by **OreoSplitter** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:08 am

I tried looking into copyright and melody. How does one know legally they could be in trouble and never found an answer. It may seem like melodies have this gigantic 1 in a million chance to copy someone by accident but I believe it's darn near unavoidable. If we converted all songs to the key of C and grouped them to similar tempo and time signature it would be clear to claim I own this melody in court is ridiculous. You figure most notes are occurring at 16th notes to quarter notes. 32nd notes and smaller to me is too small a difference to claim it as a new rhythm that is so unique but tempo is important in that situation. Anyways 16th notes and up. Then you have 7 notes. Sure there are 12 but 99.9 percent of music is playing the notes of that key. In this case it's key of C. Then you could eliminate melodies that are not musically feasible like random notes, still in key. In other words only a small portion of all possible melodies makes sense Just like note placement and rounding things to 16th notes. No one is going to make a melody with 3 16th notes right away with nothing left for the rest of the measure.

If someone took me to court saying I copied there melody I would be more then happy taking the above common sense and show once in for all claiming a melody is unethical and kills creativity out of fear for being sued.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:58 am

Numanoid wrote:
donkey tugger wrote:"Talent borrows, genius steals"
You took the words right out of my mouth

I have nothing to declare but my gen... 2000 fags..

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:16 am

KoolKool wrote:maybe one day i make a nice track and get popular

Calm down, i'm pretty sure this will never happen to you.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:51 pm

OreoSplitter wrote:I tried looking into copyright and melody. How does one know legally they could be in trouble and never found an answer. It may seem like melodies have this gigantic 1 in a million chance to copy someone by accident but I believe it's darn near unavoidable. If we converted all songs to the key of C and grouped them to similar tempo and time signature it would be clear to claim I own this melody in court is ridiculous. You figure most notes are occurring at 16th notes to quarter notes. 32nd notes and smaller to me is too small a difference to claim it as a new rhythm that is so unique but tempo is important in that situation. Anyways 16th notes and up. Then you have 7 notes. Sure there are 12 but 99.9 percent of music is playing the notes of that key. In this case it's key of C. Then you could eliminate melodies that are not musically feasible like random notes, still in key. In other words only a small portion of all possible melodies makes sense Just like note placement and rounding things to 16th notes. No one is going to make a melody with 3 16th notes right away with nothing left for the rest of the measure.

You appear to have no real concept of melody, if you need that kind of reduction.

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:07 pm

What's a melody?