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musiclover55547 · Post by **musiclover55547** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:08 pm

Great news; looks like this will be coming to LPX shortly:

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/06/ ... d-updates/

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sprnva · Post by **sprnva** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:42 pm

I installed the GB update last night. Can't believe how bad this new "modern" UI looks. And Logic has this too?

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:49 pm

sprnva wrote:I installed the GB update last night. Can't believe how bad this new "modern" UI looks. And Logic has this too?

It's awful. Yes, Logic was updated with this flat crap somewhat recently (10.3).

Apple has destroyed GUI design by ruining their own products and by everyone continuing to mindlessly copy what they do (which, in this case, was a copy of what Microsoft and Droid people were already doing). I don't know how many years it's going to take to get good design back again. A decade??

liv · Post by **liv** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:57 pm

- New "drummer loops" looks interesting.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:11 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote: Apple has destroyed GUI design by ruining their own products and by everyone continuing to mindlessly copy what they do (which, in this case, was a copy of what Microsoft and Droid people were already doing). I don't know how many years it's going to take to get good design back again. A decade??

I read today that Microsoft is working on a new GUI engine called Project Neon. It's still very shy, but it's a start: http://wccftech.com/microsoft-introduce ... indows-10/ or http://wccftech.com/microsoft-fluent-de ... ject-neon/

Unfortunately, I also read the comments of a designer who published a video about Project Neon, and he talked about Aero Glass as a "dated" GUI connected with "skeumorphism" that was replaced by the "trendy" flat design (yet he recosgnized that it was beautiful).

Seems like the fashion people invaded OS GUIs, and we will be in a roller coaster every few years, according to what's "trendy" among them.

jacqueslacouth · Post by **jacqueslacouth** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:12 am

I honestly don't get all the whining about the Logic interface change. I barely even noticed it at the last update, but then again, I am a whole lot more focussed on the music making process than what (at least to me) seem to be trivial details.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:39 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:
sprnva wrote:I installed the GB update last night. Can't believe how bad this new "modern" UI looks. And Logic has this too?
It's awful. Yes, Logic was updated with this flat crap somewhat recently (10.3).

Apple has destroyed GUI design by ruining their own products and by everyone continuing to mindlessly copy what they do (which, in this case, was a copy of what Microsoft and Droid people were already doing). I don't know how many years it's going to take to get good design back again. A decade??

I think Apple is excellent with design and their GUI's get better and better. I liked how Logic looked before. I like how Logic looks now. Flat design works well and is effective.

h2ogun99 · Post by **h2ogun99** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:06 pm

I'm having a hard time seeing how the old UI was amazing and the new UI is awful, bad, and destroyed because gradients and bevel/emboss were removed. Really?

Are we comparing the same before and afters?

Before:

After:

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Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:20 am

Yes we are comparing that. The contrast and readability has gone down again (Apple's readability in GUIs has been shit since iOS 7) and the graphics look overly simplistic and ugly.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:25 am

I like flat design, but if you do not, then use a Logic Pro X theme that is not flat... there are a number of them.

h2ogun99 · Post by **h2ogun99** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:02 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:Yes we are comparing that. The contrast and readability has gone down again (Apple's readability in GUIs has been shit since iOS 7) and the graphics look overly simplistic and ugly.

Ah ok, I see - you're being emphatically subjective. In that case you're spot on. I could not agree with you any more.

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penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:26 am

I like the new flat design too, it looks much better in my opinion and is easier to use

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:25 am

penguinfromdeep wrote:I like the new flat design too, it looks much better in my opinion and is easier to use

I am with Jace BeOS, and I am intrigued: Better in what way? Just because it is trendy? And easier why?

Besides the fact that it is flat, nothing changed, in therms of GUI. It has less readability and less contrast, but in terms if GUI elements, it is exactly the same. So, unless the contrast and the readability were bothering you, how can it be easier?

IMNSHO, this is just a trend, and, as happen with so many trends, there are people adhering exactly because of that, without any really rational reason. In a couple of years, the trend will change (again) and the exact same people that defend now flat will be defending whatever else will be trendy then

That's the logic of the fashion business

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:44 am

fmr wrote: I am with Jace BeOS, and I am intrigued: Better in what way? Just because it is trendy? And easier why?
That's the logic of the fashion business

It is definitely not because it is trendy, I don't give a toss about that. I find it doesn't strain my eyes so much, I can find the elements easier and it is more clear to use (thus all this comes down to that I find the new interface easier to use). It is difficult to exactly pinpoint the reason (I am no UI designer or expert) but that is my experience. Your mileage might and seems to vary though

I don't like beveled designs so much, and if it goes back to that I am not going to suddenly switch my opinion.

Have to add that I didn't use Logic X so much before the interface change actually though I bought Logic X when it was released. Now I've been using it much more and enjoying it much more

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:12 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:I find it doesn't strain my eyes so much, I can find the elements easier and it is more clear to use (thus all this comes down to that I find the new interface easier to use). It is difficult to exactly pinpoint the reason (I am no UI designer or expert) but that is my experience.

I'm very interested in understanding this. Can you specify how the prior design strained your eyes? What about the Logic 9.x design? Was it less strain for you? The problem might be in Logic X's dark theme, not in the bevels of GUI objects.

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