1. Been making my music career with work made entirely with Mulab & Logic Pro default instruments for the past 5 years.
2. Constant advice (or.. warnings) from producers/engineers/distributors/fans:
you won't get anywhere like this. You definitely need to get some instruments at some point.
3. I have 200 bucks. I intend to spend it on purchasing a good virtual instrument package(?)
4. What would be the choice of product that would keep me busy and relatively satisfied for the years to come?
5. What I expect is:
-electric piano that sound better than the Logic Pro default ones.
-bass that sound better than the Logic Pro default ones.
-synths that sound better than the Logic Pro default ones.
-even better if it has some drum sounds too (that sound better than the Logic Pro default ones.)
Thanks for any advice.
Best place to lose your VST virginity with 200 bucks?
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- KVRist
- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
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- KVRist
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- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
Yep. I forgot that one.
Basically pop music.
Some sister images I can come up with:
-basic style: Coldplay, Adele..
-when I get adventurous with arrangement: Kevin Garrett, James Blake..
Thanks,
Basically pop music.
Some sister images I can come up with:
-basic style: Coldplay, Adele..
-when I get adventurous with arrangement: Kevin Garrett, James Blake..
Thanks,
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- KVRAF
- 5383 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Logic and MuLab is really the ultimate combination, and you won't find a better synth than Alchemy. You can buy better Rhodes and bass sample-based instruments, though. However, for long-term happiness perhaps focus on improving the expressiveness of what you have: http://www.tecontrol.se/products
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- KVRAF
- 8237 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Yeah, if you can't do it with what's already included in Logic X, you can't do it period.
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- KVRist
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- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
oh no.. that's bad newstehlord wrote:Yeah, if you can't do it with what's already included in Logic X, you can't do it period.
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- KVRAF
- 8237 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by 'better' in the examples you cited.
Logic has arguably the best selection of plugins of any DAW, and Alchemy (which Apple bought out and now includes within Logic) was arguably the best VST synth plugin ever created. Or at least one of them.
Logic has arguably the best selection of plugins of any DAW, and Alchemy (which Apple bought out and now includes within Logic) was arguably the best VST synth plugin ever created. Or at least one of them.
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- KVRist
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- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
So basically, paying 200 bucks for this:tehlord wrote:Perhaps you need to define what you mean by 'better' in the examples you cited.
Logic has arguably the best selection of plugins of any DAW, and Alchemy (which Apple bought out and now includes within Logic) was arguably the best VST synth plugin ever created. Or at least one of them.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 11-select/
won't be essentially any different from working with my ol' Logic Pro?
I couldn't make anything like the demos on this page (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... s-drummer/) with what's on Logic Pro... Is it the magic of mixing?
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- KVRAF
- 8237 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
I wouldn't drop $200 on that. It sounds like you really want to get better real world instrument sounds.
If that's the case, you really need to enter into the Kontakt ecosystem, and the most cost effective way of doing that is by buying the standard version of Komplete.
Yes, it's a lot more than $200, but I would save up for it. Most of K11 Select can already be done in Logic, in which case most of that $200 is wasted.
If that's the case, you really need to enter into the Kontakt ecosystem, and the most cost effective way of doing that is by buying the standard version of Komplete.
Yes, it's a lot more than $200, but I would save up for it. Most of K11 Select can already be done in Logic, in which case most of that $200 is wasted.
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- KVRist
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- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
OK cool. Thanks.tehlord wrote:I wouldn't drop $200 on that. It sounds like you really want to get better real world instrument sounds.
If that's the case, you really need to enter into the Kontakt ecosystem, and the most cost effective way of doing that is by buying the standard version of Komplete.
Yes, it's a lot more than $200, but I would save up for it. Most of K11 Select can already be done in Logic, in which case most of that $200 is wasted.
K11 is 599 bucks.
K11 Ultimate is 1199 bucks.
Would you save up even more to buy K11 Ultimate? or K11 is fine?
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35474 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
I think he's suggesting Kontakt on its own. Your cheapest option for that would be the crossgrade from a third-party Kontakt Player library.
But, IMO, if you do decide on the Komplete collection, which even at the base level is a very significant investment, then since the difference between Ultimate and the base version is primarily in the extra Kontakt libraries, you'd have to really need those extra libraries for that extra cost.
Oh and if you do decide to go for Komplete, don't buy it at full price, wait for one of the 50% sales that Native Instruments do more or less annually.
Personally, I think you'd be better off investing time in Alchemy and Sculpture (and doesnt Logic have a very capable sampler?), and maybe try some free synths, and/or the plugin version of MUX from MuLab.
But, IMO, if you do decide on the Komplete collection, which even at the base level is a very significant investment, then since the difference between Ultimate and the base version is primarily in the extra Kontakt libraries, you'd have to really need those extra libraries for that extra cost.
Oh and if you do decide to go for Komplete, don't buy it at full price, wait for one of the 50% sales that Native Instruments do more or less annually.
Personally, I think you'd be better off investing time in Alchemy and Sculpture (and doesnt Logic have a very capable sampler?), and maybe try some free synths, and/or the plugin version of MUX from MuLab.
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- KVRAF
- 8237 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Yes, I am suggesting Kontakt but I think buying Komplete (not Ultimate) is the best way to go for the OP as he's one of those rare cases where the content provided would be useful to him.
There are some plugins in Komplete that would make good additions to the stuff you already have in Logic (in terms of not having overlap) and you will open yourself up to the libraries available in Kontakt that are not always available in the free Player version.
And no, never pay full price for Komplete, NI have sales every year (around Black Friday...Christmas iirc).
There are some plugins in Komplete that would make good additions to the stuff you already have in Logic (in terms of not having overlap) and you will open yourself up to the libraries available in Kontakt that are not always available in the free Player version.
And no, never pay full price for Komplete, NI have sales every year (around Black Friday...Christmas iirc).
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- KVRist
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- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
Thanks for the advice.
Dumb question but, can you explain what you mean by "Kontakt on its own"?
As a matter of fact, I do have Kontakt installed, and when I run it, there is nothing in it.
Isn't Kontakt a sampler? What can I do with an empty sampler?
Dumb question but, can you explain what you mean by "Kontakt on its own"?
As a matter of fact, I do have Kontakt installed, and when I run it, there is nothing in it.
Isn't Kontakt a sampler? What can I do with an empty sampler?
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- 3878 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats
Question 1
Serum. Though you don't need it at all if you need real sounding instruments. But if you want to widen your sound palette it's great.
Kong audio stuff is awesome for sampled instruments but 200$ won't get you far
Question 2
You can buy some third party libraries that need full Kontakt.
You can try free DrumMic'a http://de-de.sennheiser.com/drummica to get some idea of what Kontakt has to offer. Works in Kontakt player.
Serum. Though you don't need it at all if you need real sounding instruments. But if you want to widen your sound palette it's great.
Kong audio stuff is awesome for sampled instruments but 200$ won't get you far
Question 2
You can buy some third party libraries that need full Kontakt.
You can try free DrumMic'a http://de-de.sennheiser.com/drummica to get some idea of what Kontakt has to offer. Works in Kontakt player.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 427 posts since 24 Sep, 2009
Serum is this? https://www.xferrecords.com/products/serumDistorted Horizon wrote:Question 1
Serum. Though you don't need it at all if you need real sounding instruments. But if you want to widen your sound palette it's great.
Kong audio stuff is awesome for sampled instruments but 200$ won't get you far
Question 2
You can buy some third party libraries that need full Kontakt.
You can try free DrumMic'a http://de-de.sennheiser.com/drummica to get some idea of what Kontakt has to offer. Works in Kontakt player.
I'll keep that in mind.
By Kong Audio, Are you talking about this?!
http://www.chineekong.com
DrumMic'a is taking 5 hours to download.
