Name me the people in the music industry who actually cared for it and made a changed in it.
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SouthernHemisphere SouthernHemisphere https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=392368 - KVRist
- 37 posts since 21 Jan, 2017 from Freeport, Lucaya, Grand Bahama, The Bahamas
I want to know the people who made a positive change in the music industry for the good who want no corruption and actually wanted it for the people instead of "Financial" way of making money for themselves. If you know anyone who has the compassionate personality and caring personality comment below.
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- KVRAF
- 6466 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
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- KVRAF
- 2268 posts since 9 Mar, 2009 from Copenhagen, Denmark
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
The music industry was not changed by anyone, it's the nature of the beast; acting purely for-profit, in an established enterprise means [to the extent of scale] gaining advantage, end justifying the means.
One can refuse to play along; an example we can look at is massive radio play meant greasing the palms in radio at more than one level, and the artist is not usually in control of that part of the business. So one would have their own record company and not be seeking to have, or feel the need for that kind of massive exposure or massive hit and the structure of that smaller business is probably more efficient than the big companies. But unless the majority of entities changed to that, the record industry does not change.
So there is a demand for really totally childish pop and it's met by an industry and structures that serve the interest. And to create demand for that sort of disposable product requires massive investment.
That's how it is, there is no impact individuals can effect on that. The very heart of that is corrupt and the very point of it is profit. So when you see 'any jazz musician', they may be functioning in a subset of the industry with a radically different expectation. Frank Zappa has his own record company following some atrocious experiences and he was offended by the very idea of cheating. No payola meant a real limit on radio play, compounding the problem of not really pandering to the LCD. How many follow that model? Some, to be sure but the industry remains what it is.
One can refuse to play along; an example we can look at is massive radio play meant greasing the palms in radio at more than one level, and the artist is not usually in control of that part of the business. So one would have their own record company and not be seeking to have, or feel the need for that kind of massive exposure or massive hit and the structure of that smaller business is probably more efficient than the big companies. But unless the majority of entities changed to that, the record industry does not change.
So there is a demand for really totally childish pop and it's met by an industry and structures that serve the interest. And to create demand for that sort of disposable product requires massive investment.
That's how it is, there is no impact individuals can effect on that. The very heart of that is corrupt and the very point of it is profit. So when you see 'any jazz musician', they may be functioning in a subset of the industry with a radically different expectation. Frank Zappa has his own record company following some atrocious experiences and he was offended by the very idea of cheating. No payola meant a real limit on radio play, compounding the problem of not really pandering to the LCD. How many follow that model? Some, to be sure but the industry remains what it is.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Tony Wilson, even though he hated the Stranglers, he was very influental in the Mancunian music scene from the late 70's to well into the 90's
Instead of relocating to London, rather took cues from 10cc and the ongoings in Strawberry Studios, to build a Factory for the ages.
Instead of relocating to London, rather took cues from 10cc and the ongoings in Strawberry Studios, to build a Factory for the ages.
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- KVRAF
- 2726 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
OP: Sorry to be cynical, but I don't think you'll get a proper answer to this. Aside from anything, the music industry is an INDUSTRY which relies upon making money - and arguably it has a considerable amount of shit and corruption attached to that.
However, as an interesting sidenote, I give you the KLF.
They played the cynical industry at its own game: they were HUGELY successful for a few years, they wrote a tongue-in-cheek guide, 'The 'Manual', about how to have a Number One (and a different band actually achieved this through directly following the book's 'advice'), and they later burnt nearly all their earnings (about £1 million up to that point) on video as a statement of some sort of other...
However, as an interesting sidenote, I give you the KLF.
They played the cynical industry at its own game: they were HUGELY successful for a few years, they wrote a tongue-in-cheek guide, 'The 'Manual', about how to have a Number One (and a different band actually achieved this through directly following the book's 'advice'), and they later burnt nearly all their earnings (about £1 million up to that point) on video as a statement of some sort of other...
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- KVRAF
- 44068 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from clown world
Sid Vicious used to help old people cross the road, even when they didn't want to cross the road. That's the sort of caring and compassionate person he was.
He helped to ruin the credibility of Prog-rockers who wore capes on stage, thus doing a great service to the industry and the public at large.
He donated all his money to drug dealers, so they could live better lives.
He helped to ruin the credibility of Prog-rockers who wore capes on stage, thus doing a great service to the industry and the public at large.
He donated all his money to drug dealers, so they could live better lives.
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.
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SouthernHemisphere SouthernHemisphere https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=392368
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 37 posts since 21 Jan, 2017 from Freeport, Lucaya, Grand Bahama, The Bahamas
jancivil wrote:The music industry was not changed by anyone, it's the nature of the beast; acting purely for-profit, in an established enterprise means [to the extent of scale] gaining advantage, end justifying the means.
One can refuse to play along; an example we can look at is massive radio play meant greasing the palms in radio at more than one level, and the artist is not usually in control of that part of the business. So one would have their own record company and not be seeking to have, or feel the need for that kind of massive exposure or massive hit and the structure of that smaller business is probably more efficient than the big companies. But unless the majority of entities changed to that, the record industry does not change.
So there is a demand for really totally childish pop and it's met by an industry and structures that serve the interest. And to create demand for that sort of disposable product requires massive investment.
That's how it is, there is no impact individuals can effect on that. The very heart of that is corrupt and the very point of it is profit. So when you see 'any jazz musician', they may be functioning in a subset of the industry with a radically different expectation. Frank Zappa has his own record company following some atrocious experiences and he was offended by the very idea of cheating. No payola meant a real limit on radio play, compounding the problem of not really pandering to the LCD. How many follow that model? Some, to be sure but the industry remains what it is.
That is a really effective and great point. I totally agree that the music industry is basically a "Game" where you don't care about the change but still continues on making the beats and keep adding viruses onto the industry itself making it's body weaker and weaker. That's what we do with planet earth just selfishness as it is. How can people make profit without building a better community of people who are willing for it to change instead of fake people who are keeping the worse and allowing it to be that way? I need many pupils who are like that to care and have potential to change the industry to a positive factor and leaving all of the negative energy out of the sector.
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SouthernHemisphere SouthernHemisphere https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=392368
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 37 posts since 21 Jan, 2017 from Freeport, Lucaya, Grand Bahama, The Bahamas
Everything doesn't have to be about money! Money is a fakery object that hides peoples real personality and forces them to do something they don't want to do since they are terrible at doing other things in their life but comes to this industry to do something since it's "Easy" to get into this. I don't care about earnings to be honest I only care about if you are a real reality person for the compassion for music and the people who listen to it.dark water wrote:OP: Sorry to be cynical, but I don't think you'll get a proper answer to this. Aside from anything, the music industry is an INDUSTRY which relies upon making money - and arguably it has a considerable amount of shit and corruption attached to that.
However, as an interesting sidenote, I give you the KLF.
They played the cynical industry at its own game: they were HUGELY successful for a few years, they wrote a tongue-in-cheek guide, 'The 'Manual', about how to have a Number One (and a different band actually achieved this through directly following the book's 'advice'), and they later burnt nearly all their earnings (about £1 million up to that point) on video as a statement of some sort of other...
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- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
jeff mcclintock, developer of synthedit, but you would have had to have "been here" 2002-2005 to appreciate how.
there are scores who contributed to the transformation of the "instrument market" via software from the pay-only paradigm, but any attempt to acknowledge them would certainly omit vital contributions, eg. some folks who never released products, only imparted information.
but really, synthedit, is the baby that got the establishment's panties wedged up their backside, and globally disenfranchised the commoditisation of music, but, i'm the only person who will tell you that as no one else can take any more abuse. and i think we can say, jeff was just in the right place at the right time, and offered something useful to human beings. he's about the least subversive synthedit user of them all. it was the general public use that made the difference.
but otherwise sid vicious, public enemy, whatever, these are all false advocates, to embody and channel the preexistent public sentiment. the people who did the heavy lifting, you will never, ever, EVER see acknowledged in a place like this.
there are scores who contributed to the transformation of the "instrument market" via software from the pay-only paradigm, but any attempt to acknowledge them would certainly omit vital contributions, eg. some folks who never released products, only imparted information.
but really, synthedit, is the baby that got the establishment's panties wedged up their backside, and globally disenfranchised the commoditisation of music, but, i'm the only person who will tell you that as no one else can take any more abuse. and i think we can say, jeff was just in the right place at the right time, and offered something useful to human beings. he's about the least subversive synthedit user of them all. it was the general public use that made the difference.
but otherwise sid vicious, public enemy, whatever, these are all false advocates, to embody and channel the preexistent public sentiment. the people who did the heavy lifting, you will never, ever, EVER see acknowledged in a place like this.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.