KVR Audio

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:52 pm

I've read that if you have FL Studio there is a way to make this thing play monophonically. Well, we Cubase users I guess are just screwed.

How do you make a VSTi without a monophonic mode?

How do you play legato lead lines with this thing?

Oh wait, you can't

I tested Sytrus before purchasing to make sure it functioned correctly. I didn't go through every nook and cranny to see how every single button and slider worked. So yeah, that's on me for not figuring out there's no monophonic mode in this thing.

But really?

What the frick were they thinking? Hell, even Harmor has a monophonic mode.

Un-freaking-believable.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:05 pm

I don't know what you mean by mono mode, but you can reduce polyphony to 1 (which, for me, is monophonic).

Maximum polyphony: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, infinite...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:12 pm

fmr wrote:I don't know what you mean by mono mode, but you can reduce polyphony to 1 (which, for me, is monophonic).

Maximum polyphony: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, infinite...

The problem is, it's not per patch. It's global for the entire plugin regardless of what patch you pull up. This makes it totally useless for designing libraries where one patch is polyphonic and another is monophonic.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:17 pm

wagtunes wrote:
fmr wrote:I don't know what you mean by mono mode, but you can reduce polyphony to 1 (which, for me, is monophonic).

Maximum polyphony: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, infinite...
The problem is, it's not per patch. It's global for the entire plugin regardless of what patch you pull up. This makes it totally useless for designing libraries where one patch is polyphonic and another is monophonic.

I see. Well, I guess there'sn nothing else, I'm afraid. But then, doesn't DX7 behave the same? You have to remember that this synth is compatible with DX7, and it's "soul" is FM, not subtractive. It wasn't thought for Minimoog style basses and leads. There are plenty of others for that job (even in Image-Line portfolio).

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:29 pm

fmr wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
fmr wrote:I don't know what you mean by mono mode, but you can reduce polyphony to 1 (which, for me, is monophonic).

Maximum polyphony: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, infinite...
The problem is, it's not per patch. It's global for the entire plugin regardless of what patch you pull up. This makes it totally useless for designing libraries where one patch is polyphonic and another is monophonic.
I see. Well, I guess there'sn nothing else, I'm afraid. But then, doesn't DX7 behave the same? You have to remember that this synth is compatible with DX7, and it's "soul" is FM, not subtractive. It wasn't thought for Minimoog style basses and leads. There are plenty of others for that job (even in Image-Line portfolio).

Hey, if we're gonna go down the rabbit hole of "Well, the DX 7 doesn't do this" there is a ton of stuff that Sytrus does that the DX 7 doesn't do. If I wanted a strict DX 7 emulation I would have gotten something else.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:06 pm

wagtunes wrote: How do you make a VSTi without a monophonic mode?

Even though one could ask the question, why on earth u-he released a pure monophonic synth in 2016...
Could have been a polyphonic synth with a monophonic option...

How do you play legato lead lines with this thing?

Perhaps there are many people out there, who simply have no need for legato lead lines...
Hmmm, let´s think about that... when do I have used a legato lead sound.... hmmm
The answer is very easy : NEVER

Un-freaking-believable.

If you don´t like it... just move on... luckily there are thousands of alternatives out there, which do what you want...
Sytrus is a very very powerful synth and was it´s time miles ahead feature wise, but perhaps nothing for dinosaurs

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:36 pm

copy/paste from reddit:
What you do is check "PORTA" on the master panel and then make a flat pitch envelope with no release on the first oscillator. How long the "attack" section is of that envelope determines the portamento time. If you are using multiple oscillators that aren't static pitch, you would also want to check "GLOBAL PITCH" on the front panel as well. Hopefully that helps, the whole process isn't particularly intuitive.

You also have some portamento options to limit the slide amount in the little menu below the Sytrus logo.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:54 pm

kokotte wrote:copy/paste from reddit:
What you do is check "PORTA" on the master panel and then make a flat pitch envelope with no release on the first oscillator. How long the "attack" section is of that envelope determines the portamento time. If you are using multiple oscillators that aren't static pitch, you would also want to check "GLOBAL PITCH" on the front panel as well. Hopefully that helps, the whole process isn't particularly intuitive.

You also have some portamento options to limit the slide amount in the little menu below the Sytrus logo.

Um yeah, thanks but I'll pass on this ridiculous workaround.

Greenstorm33 · Post by **Greenstorm33** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:49 pm

It's not a workaround, that's literally how you're supposed to do portamento.

Another Sytrus fun fact: the only way to do vibrato via a controller is to have the controller modulate the global LFO amount. Hope you don't want vibrato capability and LFO modulation in your sound at the same time. I really wish IL would give Sytrus an update to address these two issues glaring deficiencies since otherwise it's a great synth.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:03 pm

Greenstorm33 wrote:It's not a workaround, that's literally how you're supposed to do portamento.

Another Sytrus fun fact: the only way to do vibrato via a controller is to have the controller modulate the global LFO amount. Hope you don't want vibrato capability and LFO modulation in your sound at the same time. I really wish IL would give Sytrus an update to address these two issues glaring deficiencies since otherwise it's a great synth.

I get that's how it works in Sytrus. It's just a lot of work for something that should be a button press or a knob turn.

Armagibbon · Post by **Armagibbon** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:20 pm

wagtunes wrote:I get that's how it works in Sytrus. It's just a lot of work for something that should be a button press or a knob turn.

Hahahaha but aint everything image line like that? Lotta fuss for standard shit.
Hey it's all possible but no hand-holding! Now hold on a sec while I f*ck my entire project to get a time sig that's not 4/4...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:22 pm

Armagibbon wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I get that's how it works in Sytrus. It's just a lot of work for something that should be a button press or a knob turn.
Hahahaha but aint everything image line like that? Lotta fuss for standard shit.
Hey it's all possible but no hand-holding! Now hold on a sec while I f*ck my entire project to get a time sig that's not 4/4...

I don't mind the IL complex stuff for things that can't be done easily otherwise. A lot of synths are like that. But this is to the point of absurdity.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:55 pm

at least now it's resizeable! People begged for ten years for a bigger gui

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:16 pm

Jbravo wrote:at least now it's resizeable! People begged for ten years for a bigger gui

Don't get me wrong. I love the synth. Sounds great and quite flexible. More so than the DX 7 by leaps and bounds. I'm just surprised that such basic functionality for every other synth that I own is missing or convolutedly difficult.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:21 pm

yeah I can understand that. It is an amazing synth, but kind of an awkward bugger to use :/

Sytrus - Really? No Monophonic Mode?