Daw's & Their Instrument / FX Browsers - The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
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- KVRAF
- 3496 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
Many of you have been using DAW's for several decades, some of you will will have started ten or less years ago... however if there is one thing that has always been critical in terms of workflow, it's accessibility in finding stuff that you want to use.
There's times where I don't know what I'm going to use, times where I don't know where something I want to use is and times I don't remember the name of...( when you reach your 30's / 40's and beyond, you start to forget people's names of those you've not seen in a while so plugin's are similar in that regard)... when it comes to plugins.
If you need to wade through possible list's of hundreds of FX / Instruments you have, spending an eternity doing so and that's before even using or testing out presets... you could well of have forgot what you were going to record in the first place or to use on what....
With all that said, I think you, can get the picture in where I'm coming from...
What's your perspective in the 'The Good, The Bad & The Ugly' in regard to today's DAW's and their 'Instrument / FX Browsers', and those you've used in the past ?
There's times where I don't know what I'm going to use, times where I don't know where something I want to use is and times I don't remember the name of...( when you reach your 30's / 40's and beyond, you start to forget people's names of those you've not seen in a while so plugin's are similar in that regard)... when it comes to plugins.
If you need to wade through possible list's of hundreds of FX / Instruments you have, spending an eternity doing so and that's before even using or testing out presets... you could well of have forgot what you were going to record in the first place or to use on what....
With all that said, I think you, can get the picture in where I'm coming from...
What's your perspective in the 'The Good, The Bad & The Ugly' in regard to today's DAW's and their 'Instrument / FX Browsers', and those you've used in the past ?
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- KVRian
- 977 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK
Good: Reaper , FL Studio, Studio One.
Bad: Ableton, Samplitude ( Well, not as good shall we say :] ).
my favorite browser is probs. reaper. some cool options, previewing, favorites, even a function to select parts of audio files and open just that part.
it's the best one 'on the fly' imo..
Bad: Ableton, Samplitude ( Well, not as good shall we say :] ).
my favorite browser is probs. reaper. some cool options, previewing, favorites, even a function to select parts of audio files and open just that part.
it's the best one 'on the fly' imo..
- KVRAF
- 37499 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Studio One does seem to have the best support for multiple preset types and can both load and save them (as all DAWs should) and the thumbnail based plugin browsing is also nice
Bitwig's 'hot swap' browser is smooth to work with and can also load quite a few native plugin formats as well as being the only one that loads u-he presets - but can only load, not save, presets (except in Bitwig's own format) which is just stupid.
Bitwig's 'hot swap' browser is smooth to work with and can also load quite a few native plugin formats as well as being the only one that loads u-he presets - but can only load, not save, presets (except in Bitwig's own format) which is just stupid.
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- KVRAF
- 9150 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
For me it's Cubase. The only DAW I tried that has midi review in both the original tempo and the host tempo.
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Bitwig 5, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I simply do not do this. You have described the pitfalls of a dire lack of focus yet you seem to think this is a cool way to be. I know where everything is, which is much more feasible for me as I don't collect things except where I feel I'm going to work with it. And I create the soundsets myself typically. More doesn't always equal more if it's a quagmire, is it.THE INTRANCER wrote: If you need to wade through possible list's of hundreds of FX / Instruments you have, spending and eternity doing so and that's before even using or testing out presets... you could well of have forgot what you were going to record in the first place or to use on what....
BTW, plurals don't need, or use an apostrophe before the s. I never comment on that but it's getting on my nerves lately.
- KVRian
- 1016 posts since 16 Aug, 2010 from almost everywhere...
You didn´t try REAPER then.EnGee wrote:For me it's Cubase. The only DAW I tried that has midi review in both the original tempo and the host tempo.
- KVRAF
- 2726 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
Good: Logic - I'm jealous of it, but I don't have a Mac.
Ugly: Ableton Live 8 and Reason 4 - these are the ones I use and actually they're pretty good for me, but I admit that there are better options (and more up to date ones too) out there.
Bad: Sonar for obvious reasons, and Bitwig is half finished.
Ugly: Ableton Live 8 and Reason 4 - these are the ones I use and actually they're pretty good for me, but I admit that there are better options (and more up to date ones too) out there.
Bad: Sonar for obvious reasons, and Bitwig is half finished.
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- KVRAF
- 5851 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki
You simply have too many plugins if browsing becomes an issue.
Ableton is by far the best with the shortcut method, it separates the installed plugins and their file locations from those I actually use in a neat, custom folder structure. Reaper has something similar with the folders, but the way it prints the plugin names is retarded.
Ableton is by far the best with the shortcut method, it separates the installed plugins and their file locations from those I actually use in a neat, custom folder structure. Reaper has something similar with the folders, but the way it prints the plugin names is retarded.
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- KVRAF
- 35687 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I like Studio One's instrument browser the best. Never liked Cubase's much, and it didn't get any better when they implemented custom lists. Reaper's is nothing special either, don't understand the rave about it. Like anything in Reaper, it looks and handles like Windows 98 (sorry).
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- KVRAF
- 9150 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Reaper is an excellent DAW. I have itsoulone82 wrote:You didn´t try REAPER then.EnGee wrote:For me it's Cubase. The only DAW I tried that has midi review in both the original tempo and the host tempo.
It doesn't switch successfully between the midi file tempo and the host tempo. I did asked one of the developers, and he said that it depends on the tempo of the midi file info.
Anyway, to be honest, last time I checked was several months ago, so I'm not sure if there is a change recently.
Using: Cubase Pro 15, Bitwig 5, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.
- KVRAF
- 26984 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
For Instruments and FX, Bitwig pop-up browser is my favorite.
Say I am adding a track, I don't even need to click once with the mouse. Cmd-T creates a track and opens the pop-up browser. It opens with the search highlighted so I type the first 3 letters of the plugin I want, hit the down arrow key to select it which demos it on the track, then return to confirm the choice. Most of the time I never even look at the screen and total time is like 3 seconds.
If I am putting say an EQ between a synth and a delay, then one needs a single mouse click on the little + between devices to define where you are inserting the new device. Then the same fast process.
Say I am adding a track, I don't even need to click once with the mouse. Cmd-T creates a track and opens the pop-up browser. It opens with the search highlighted so I type the first 3 letters of the plugin I want, hit the down arrow key to select it which demos it on the track, then return to confirm the choice. Most of the time I never even look at the screen and total time is like 3 seconds.
If I am putting say an EQ between a synth and a delay, then one needs a single mouse click on the little + between devices to define where you are inserting the new device. Then the same fast process.
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- KVRAF
- 2598 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Another Green World
Reason 10 browser is pretty comprehensive, Logic Pro X is extremely full-featured. I wish Ableton Live's did a bit more - at least in 9 it's not a true browser per se - it doesn't let you fully traverse directories at will, only add new shortcut locations. More a hassle for files/samples than instruments/FX.
The Bitwig popup browser they added on 1.x was one of the things that drove me away from that DAW, I don't want something taking over my screen when adding devices. Maybe it's improved in 2.x.
The Bitwig popup browser they added on 1.x was one of the things that drove me away from that DAW, I don't want something taking over my screen when adding devices. Maybe it's improved in 2.x.
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- KVRist
- 421 posts since 11 Jun, 2013
Native Instruments Maschine, and Presonus Stuido One end of discussion.
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- KVRAF
- 2598 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Another Green World
Good, bad, or ugly? Inquiring minds want to know!beatmangler443 wrote:Native Instruments Maschine, and Presonus Stuido One end of discussion.