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solomute · Post by **solomute** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:26 am

I am sorry to disappoint you but crosstalk feature of console emulations is a fake. I have checked the following ones: sonimus satson, mellowmuse csv1, klanghelm sdrr. But I am more than convinced that all others including the famous vcc behave the same way. In order to check if the feature is really implemented you need to solo the master track and one track with an instument. Put buss vst to both of them and enable crosstalk in them. Buss vst on the track with the instrument should be placed before volume fader which should be moved fully to the left to disable sound output. Start playback. And you won't hear anything accept silence! Though the programers assure you that you have a crosstalk feature which should provide low-volume bleed of sound between several copies of the buss vst. But this does not happen. At least mellowmuse admits that it makes crosstalk only within one copy of a vst thus mixing right ch with the left ch but actually it is more crossfeed than crosstalk while crosstalk should occur between tracks and not within channels of one track. Of course crosstalk can be imlemented but as we can see from a test there is no communication happening between several copies of the same vst. All this means that you have to arrange crosstalk manually without those vsts by creating an aux buss and routing from tracks to it. Modify sound on that bus by eqs and panning tools to get imitation of a real crosstalk.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:43 am

SDRR crosstalk is only stereo crosstalk.

inkwarp · Post by **inkwarp** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:38 am

what does it mean??!
blige...

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:44 am

The crosstalk feature of Studio One Console Shaper recreates behavior from analog mixing consoles such as Neve and SSL where the channels would bleed the audio signal into each other.

Alex Solano demonstrates:

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:17 am

Crosstalk is basically the leaking sound from channels that early hardware mixers have had and which sound engineers have tried to avoid happening for the past 30 years.

Nowadays, there's developers out there that take that technical flaw and try and market it as a feature. It invokes and promotes poor mixing practices by the producer, but with music being subjective, who's going to care but the producer that uses it. Personally I find the whole crosstalk emulation thing abhorrent and thus never use such ill conceived and contrived things like this in my music however it's implemented within the software I use...but that's just me.

planetearth · Post by **planetearth** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:46 am

THE INTRANCER wrote:Crosstalk is basically the leaking sound from channels that early hardware mixers have had and which sound engineers have tried to avoid happening for the past 30 years.

Nowadays, there's developers out there that take that technical flaw and try and market it as a feature. It invokes and promotes poor mixing practices by the producer, but with music being subjective, who's going to care but the producer that uses it. Personally I find the whole crosstalk emulation thing abhorrent and thus never use such ill conceived and contrived things like this in my music however it's implemented within the software I use...but that's just me.

I believe the OP's point was that this "feature" doesn't actually work, regardless of what the plug-in developers claim.

Steve

solomute · Post by **solomute** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:32 pm

The crosstalk feature of Studio One Console Shaper

Cool, but have you checked if it's really working by my method?

I believe the OP's point was that this "feature" doesn't actually work, regardless of what the plug-in developers claim.

Exactly.

SDRR crosstalk is only stereo crosstalk.

Sure, they promote in-stereo crossfeed as crosstalk. You do not need any vsts to make that crossfeed, ie for example in samplitude you right click on panning item and in a window you choose "2 channel panorama" via which you can just add some sound from one channel to another (from L to R and vice versa) which results in monoizing. Actually, any stereoizer\monoizer like hofa's meter,fader vst can do it ie partial monoizing the signal. But it's not what you would want and expect from console emulations. You would want and expect the possibility to crosstalkatevely mix and tracks of your mix. Logically it would be neighboring channels as you would imagine them to be in an hw console. But logically all those pairs of crosstalks are still mixed together on the master track, so no pairing is even needed except for a demanding user. Thus they should have made the feature to assign numbers to each instance of the vst like in sknote's stripbus for ducking but for configuring the desired crosstalk between instruments.

solomute · Post by **solomute** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:37 pm

By the way one important outcome from the above is that since there is no betweentracktial crosstalk you can put buss vst to any insert in your track's chain since there is no communication between strips\channel vsts and buss vsts. All those strips and busses just give different amount of satuation as I may guess. There are also some groups implemented which actually just allow you to copy settings of one vst to another but they are by no means a way of intertracktial crosstalk.

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:52 pm

You may want to look at sknote Strip, which as far as I'm aware is the only channel emulation plugin that seriously claims to have communication between instances. I'm not sure what effect it is meant to have though, I think it is something different from bleed.

There's also the airwindows console system which models a push/pull interaction between channels rather than crosstalk, and is very sensitive to where plugins are placed.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:22 pm

I'm not disappointed, I'd be disappointed if it did work and people actually used it.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:48 pm

inkwarp wrote:what does it mean??!

It means that the alleged magic pixie dust panacea solomute has been gushingly wittering on about for the past few months (in lieu of actual knowledge and/or experience) isn't what he thought it was.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:04 pm

solomute wrote:betweentracktial...intertracktial.

...Everything is satisfactual!

generaldiomedes · Post by **generaldiomedes** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:00 am

I think there might be some crosstalk in your brain.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:26 am

Waves NLS do it by having emulated the different channels of original console they tried to capture, 32 of each - and by default each instance select a different one of those in there. You can alter those yourself - even a couple of channels from one console type to another console type on buss version.

So slight differences between channels will be represented.
And summing these you get a different total than if all were exactly the same.

Don't think Waves specify that each of the individual track instances crosstalk to the stereo buss-instance/version - but a lot is controlled from stereo buss version, with 8 VCA groups. Probably influence settings only - not audio so much.

You can always check if Softube did something on Console 1 - maybe they did. But it's not marketed anyway.

Personally I don't care - NLS brings something really nice to a mix. Just inserting stereo buss thingy changes everything.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:25 am

It's even better than the real thing.