Curious about NI Battery

[herodotus]

Hello.

I have tried NI support, but have gotten no response, which may be because I haven't bought anything from them yet.

Anyway, I want to start making and selling drum samples again, and things simply dont sell in sfz format, so I am looking at my options.

Anyway, what I am most curious about is if Battery instruments are fully functional in Kontakt. Last I heard they were but that was years ago. I know Kontakt is the more popular app, but I simply dont want to spend the money on it. As I said, my desire is simply to make sample sets in a viable commercial format.

Thanks in advance.

[electro]

You want to build the kits in Battery 3. Always go with the lowest version to get the widest compatibility.

[Zombie Queen]

You can load Battery 3 kits to Kontakt, but I wouldn't call it fully functional. Basically you are missing the whole Battery UI. You can set things up in edit mode, but it's a mess. Generally - not a good idea.
If you want to go Kontakt, you need Kontakt and some kind of more or less nice UI. So maybe team up with someone. But with things like Abbey Road Drums series, it's hard ground to compete in. Unless you have something new to offer.

[herodotus]

You can load Battery 3 kits to Kontakt, but I wouldn't call it fully functional. Basically you are missing the whole Battery UI. You can set things up in edit mode, but it's a mess. Generally - not a good idea.
If you want to go Kontakt, you need Kontakt and some kind of more or less nice UI. So maybe team up with someone. But with things like Abbey Road Drums series, it's hard ground to compete in. Unless you have something new to offer.

Oh, I definitely have new things to offer. I just don't really want to buy Kontakt, because the purpose is solely to make samples commercially. I use samples myself all of the time, but I tend to 'roll my own' and have never felt the need for anything more than Sforzando. Unfortunately, every time I offered a sample set in sfz format, I would just get 1000 emails asking for a Kontakt version.

Anyway, thanks much for the insight. Sounds like I will have to buy Kontakt, after all.

Thanks, all.

[deastman]

It isn’t simply a question of buying Kontakt. The market expectation is that you will provide a slick custom user interface powered by custom scripting which adds unique functionality. Simply loading in a set of samples isn’t nearly enough anymore.

[digitalboytn]

I like Battery for percussion and there are some cool things about the program that make working with smaller sound sets really easy...

But anybody trying to pull a GREAT drum sound out of Kontakt are really pushing a soft ship uphill with a wide pronged fork...

Kontakt is fine for most samples,but when it comes to drums,there are much better options out there....

Why put yourself through the pain and suffering and endless hours of frustration just to end up with crap ?

The NI drums libraries take up a ton of CPU because they are loaded with routings and effects to try and get a sound happening...

But unfortunately,it is a big fail...

If you want to hear what the NI drums really sound like,turn off all the effects and listen to the truth....

It is very revealing...

If you did the same thing with the BFD2 factory library recorded at AIR Studios,you would be surprised at just how good the drums sound...

And that's always a good place to start

[Shuffle34]

That's my favorite Battery:

[herodotus]

Kontakt is fine for most samples,but when it comes to drums,there are much better options out there....

What are they?

Seriously, I have the recording and editing knowledge, and I have a large number of rare and unique sound sources at my disposal, some of them already recorded and edited. But I am out of the loop on drum sampling software, because I never use it, due to the fact that I record all of my own drums and percussion live.

[herodotus]

It isn’t simply a question of buying Kontakt. The market expectation is that you will provide a slick custom user interface powered by custom scripting which adds unique functionality. Simply loading in a set of samples isn’t nearly enough anymore.

I am sure you are right, but in any case, the first step is to do a proof of concept with samples alone. I am, therefore, trying to figure out which sample apps/formats are most worth while to people who actually use samples.

Given this fact, I probably didn't pick the best thread title, but it seems to be working so...

[UltimateOutsider]

OP, as others have mentioned, Kontakt is not a popular format for commercial drum sample collections. The drum-related Kontakt instruments that are popular are more than just collections of samples; they have mixing/routing/effects/sequencers, etc, really making use of Kontakt's features.

If you're investigating good formats to sell, take a look at what other popular drum sample publishers are doing. For example, Goldbaby often releases samples in packs that contain multiple formats: WAV, REX, Maschine, Geist, Battery, Logic, Reason, etc.

Maschine kits have been popular for a while, but now that NI has branched their Expansions out to support Battery 4 as well, I imagine Battery kits as a format will become more attractive to buyers.

[digitalboytn]

Kontakt is fine for most samples,but when it comes to drums,there are much better options out there....

What are they?

Seriously, I have the recording and editing knowledge, and I have a large number of rare and unique sound sources at my disposal, some of them already recorded and edited. But I am out of the loop on drum sampling software, because I never use it, due to the fact that I record all of my own drums and percussion live.

I have checked most of them out and my preference is BFD3...

I have a heap of the expansions,including all of the Platinum Samples libraries,but these days I get 99% of my sounds out of the BFD2 factory library...

It takes a little bit of time to get BFD set up properly,but when you do,it delivers world class drum tracks....

Well...along with a great drummer laying down the grooves

[CinningBao]

.. pushing a soft ship uphill with a wide pronged fork...

Mild derail.. what a lovely analogy.. not traditionally english sounding.. where're you from?

[digitalboytn]

.. pushing a soft ship uphill with a wide pronged fork...

Mild derail.. what a lovely analogy.. not traditionally english sounding.. where're you from?

Global...

I tried living in your part of the world for a while,but the weather was crap...

[herodotus]

If you're investigating good formats to sell, take a look at what other popular drum sample publishers are doing. For example, Goldbaby often releases samples in packs that contain multiple formats: WAV, REX, Maschine, Geist, Battery, Logic, Reason, etc.

Yes, this is true.

So that is about $2000 of software and hardware to buy, and about a year to spend learning it all.

Well, it would seem that I have some work to do.



Thanks for the suggestion. As I said, I don't use drum samples myself, so I have gotten way out of the loop on this stuff in the past 3 years.

Moore's law seems to apply to samples as well as circuits.

[jancivil]

I like Battery for percussion and there are some cool things about the program that make working with smaller sound sets really easy...

But anybody trying to pull a GREAT drum sound out of Kontakt are really pushing a soft ship uphill with a wide pronged fork...

Kontakt is fine for most samples,but when it comes to drums,there are much better options out there....

Why put yourself through the pain and suffering and endless hours of frustration just to end up with crap ?

The NI drums libraries take up a ton of CPU because they are loaded with routings and effects to try and get a sound happening...

But unfortunately,it is a big fail...

If you want to hear what the NI drums really sound like,turn off all the effects and listen to the truth....

It is very revealing...

If you did the same thing with the BFD2 factory library recorded at AIR Studios,you would be surprised at just how good the drums sound...

And that's always a good place to start

I use drum samples all the time. I have never used Kontakt for a drum kit part. Because the interface. I like to control bleed and mix like I'm dealing with a drum kit, and now the modeling in BFD3 really does proof of concept against Kontakt as a way forward.

If you're NOT using the scripting and so forth, why not continue with SFZ. Another thing I've not used - for anything. Because interface.