No licensing details with 'All The Breaks' cd

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I just bought and received my first sample cd, but I am not sure how I am allowed to use it. It arrived in pretty bare-bones packaging, and doesn't give any indication of licensing terms.

One of the main reasons for buying it was not just to lift the samples, but to split and analyse the breaks to be able to create my own original beats in a similar styling, and to attempt recreating the whole breaks. However, I also want to be able to use the breaks as is, or in sampled hit form within my own music.

Given that the cd is being sold through legitimate outlets, can I just assume I can use them as I want?

Cheers!

[Aloysius]

If you got it from a website, they may have a FAQ. I asked Zero-G about a particular Pack once and they pointed me to their FAQ which stated I could use the samples as I wished (within reason). You could write the seller an email. If they ok your intended use, then keep the email for reference.

[Aloysius]

Just doing a quick Google and ''All The Breaks'' seems to be a bunch of breaks lifted off vinyl records (CDs). If that's the case, then no, you can't use them without permission (money). If it's a different pack by the same name, then perhaps you can use them. See above ^

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Just doing a quick Google and ''All The Breaks'' seems to be a bunch of breaks lifted off vinyl records (CDs). If that's the case, then no, you can't use them without permission (money). If it's a different pack by the same name, then perhaps you can use them. See above ^

Thanks! It's this:

https://www.juno.co.uk/products/all-the ... 605492-01/

[Robmobius]

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

So, they've been illegally lifted, and therefore illegally sold. How would it ever be lega for me to use them?

You can tell I know nothing about this stuff, right?

[Aloysius]

Just doing a quick Google and ''All The Breaks'' seems to be a bunch of breaks lifted off vinyl records (CDs). If that's the case, then no, you can't use them without permission (money). If it's a different pack by the same name, then perhaps you can use them. See above ^

Thanks! It's this:

https://www.juno.co.uk/products/all-the ... 605492-01/

I recognize some of the original tunes that a few of the breaks have been lifted (stolen) from. You could ask for a refund.

[Robmobius]

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

So, they've been illegally lifted, and therefore illegally sold. How would it ever be lega for me to use them?

You can tell I know nothing about this stuff, right?

Well... It's a fair point man and I'm sure theres a lot of people here who could go into the legality of sampling.

Not that I'm an expert at all. But from their perspective they assume you'll be making music with the breaks. So as long as you not selling the samples that they put together and then remastered you should be fine.

A lot of those breaks have been around for ages (some from the 50-60s). Most of the record lables are kaput.

Some really famous artists have been using breaks for decades - so you'll be fine, honestly I would'nt worry about it.

[MFXxx]

Use them until you have a need to legally apply for licensing rights to use them from the copyright holders (if any). Simples. Make your millions and then worry, unless there's huge monetary sums involved I doubt if anyone, except those exposed to financial loss, are going to quibble. That being said, the orginal publisher of the CD purchased is likely to be the ones being pursued if at all!

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

So, they've been illegally lifted, and therefore illegally sold. How would it ever be lega for me to use them?

You can tell I know nothing about this stuff, right?

Well... It's a fair point man and I'm sure theres a lot of people here who could go into the legality of sampling.

Not that I'm an expert at all. But from their perspective they assume you'll be making music with the breaks. So as long as you not selling the samples that they put together and then remastered you should be fine.

A lot of those breaks have been around for ages (some from the 50-60s). Most of the record lables are kaput.

Some really famous artists have been using breaks for decades - so you'll be fine, honestly I would'nt worry about it.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Just doing a quick Google and ''All The Breaks'' seems to be a bunch of breaks lifted off vinyl records (CDs). If that's the case, then no, you can't use them without permission (money). If it's a different pack by the same name, then perhaps you can use them. See above ^

Thanks! It's this:

https://www.juno.co.uk/products/all-the ... 605492-01/

I recognize some of the original tunes that a few of the breaks have been lifted (stolen) from. You could ask for a refund.

I've sent them an email enquiring about how I may or may not use the samples. If the have been lifted without clearance, I will ask for a refund

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Use them until you have a need to legally apply for licensing rights to use them from the copyright holders (if any). Simples. Make your millions and then worry, unless there's huge monetary sums involved I doubt if anyone, except those exposed to financial loss, are going to quibble. That being said, the orginal publisher of the CD purchased is likely to be the ones being pursued if at all!

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

So, they've been illegally lifted, and therefore illegally sold. How would it ever be lega for me to use them?

You can tell I know nothing about this stuff, right?

Well... It's a fair point man and I'm sure theres a lot of people here who could go into the legality of sampling.

Not that I'm an expert at all. But from their perspective they assume you'll be making music with the breaks. So as long as you not selling the samples that they put together and then remastered you should be fine.

A lot of those breaks have been around for ages (some from the 50-60s). Most of the record lables are kaput.

Some really famous artists have been using breaks for decades - so you'll be fine, honestly I would'nt worry about it.

Thanks, but I'm not really interested in taking chances. The issue is not that I think my usage will result in any kind of riches. No! The issue is that if I would possibly have to pay to clear the samples anyway, why do I have to pay upfront? if I am going to steal samples, why would I pay someone else who already may have stolen them?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

A lot of those taken are nicked from old vinyl records as op said. So they don't really have any claim over the original material. At best they could say that you just can't sell or distribute the material that they collected (in fact I'm sure they do).

People have been chopping breaks for a long time so your good to go I reckon.

So, they've been illegally lifted, and therefore illegally sold. How would it ever be lega for me to use them?

You can tell I know nothing about this stuff, right?

Well... It's a fair point man and I'm sure theres a lot of people here who could go into the legality of sampling.

Not that I'm an expert at all. But from their perspective they assume you'll be making music with the breaks. So as long as you not selling the samples that they put together and then remastered you should be fine.

A lot of those breaks have been around for ages (some from the 50-60s). Most of the record lables are kaput.

Some really famous artists have been using breaks for decades - so you'll be fine, honestly I would'nt worry about it.

There's just too much assumption, and that is of no interest to me (Not referring to your advice, but the situation in general)

[Robmobius]

I've sent them an email enquiring about how I may or may not use the samples. If the have been lifted without clearance, I will ask for a refund

Let us know how you get on, I'd be interested to hear what they say. Ta'!

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I've sent them an email enquiring about how I may or may not use the samples. If the have been lifted without clearance, I will ask for a refund

Let us know how you get on, I'd be interested to hear what they say. Ta'!

Will do. Thanks

[SampleScience]

Using these breaks is technically illegal and people are being sued. I've once read about a label re-issuing old funk, rock and soul music on vinyl and they had a department dedicated to suing illegal sampling of their newly acquired intellectual properties. I wish I remember their name, but I remember it was part of their business model. I suggest that you do your own research, it's what I did years ago and concluded it wasn't worth the risk, even for a small artist.

The reason some companies sells these breaks compilation is because there's a demand for it. They could have a special license to sell them as a compilation for listening purpose, they certainly don't for licensing them to other musicians.