How do you feel about Reasontalk?

[Psuper]

I'm Psuper, I was just banned at Reasontalk.

I've been active at RT for a couple years now and am now banned by Kenni for this comment regarding the new Drum Sequencer coming up in a Reason update:

Psuper:

Best to leave speculation at the door, lets see what is announced if/when something is.
As for the excitement for another STEP/DRUM sequencer.. all I can say is you must be *very* new to this field.

Kenni:

You're technically not breaking any rules, but could you please leave your usual influx of denigrating elitism at the door? Eloquence doesn't make up for it and it's really getting old. Don't stir the pot more than necessary.

Psuper:

Hey Kenni, how about you get off my case. I'm more than chilled about stuff, there's pages and pages of people being assholes and I'm always respectful, thoughtful, helpful, and honest.
I'm getting pretty sick of defending myself to you, and have absolutely no reason to be doing so.

Pretty neutral, and we have a bazillion sequencers around every corner yet Propellerhead is trying to continue focusing on new blood. But of course Kenni has serious issues with me, for at least the 2nd time, and I won't be bullied by anyone.

I've always been vocal about the direction Reason should take as I love the software as many of you do. I've also been unabashedly pro-Reason, and overly helpful to their community. A simple look into my posts would prove to anyone I've been one of the most helpful in the community.

https://forum.reasontalk.com/memberlist ... ile&u=8068

The community has been great, I've enjoyed many conversations both in agreement and disagreement. There's plenty of trolls, fanboys, and haters like any forum, but overall the community has been up to this point a place I looked forward to hanging with.

Kenni can run his site how he wants, however this ban left me with a very sour taste in my mouth, lots of building a community down the drain due to a moderator with a chip on his shoulder. I have plenty to say about it, however before I waste any time I'd like to know how others view Reasontalk, specifically the moderation. Is Reasontalk worth fighting for? Does this ban look legit?

Considering Reasontalk is the ONLY place left where Reason users have a voice and Propellerhead hangs out, I'd like to know how people view Kenni and his crews representation of Propellerhead and their products.

Maybe it doesn't matter, but to me it does.

[chk071]

Frankly, i think taking a dispute you had on another forum to this one a bad idea. Also not quite sure what you want to hear. Agreement, disagreement? Remember that forums are privately run. Admins can ban you, because your nose has the wrong shape. It is their sites, and their forums. They pay for the webspace, and give you a platform for discussion, if they feel like it. It's just fair that you comply to their rules.

The Reasontalk forums have quite a friendly, familiar atmosphere. And, yes, the mods there don't take very kindly to arguments. Probably a lot less kindly than the mods on KVR (but then, the KVR forums are almost unmoderated at times, which i don't think is cool either). Again, it's a privately run forum, and they pay the bills.

And, if you want my personal opinion, i also dealt with Kenni once, when i had an argument with someone else, and, after initially being a bit p***ed off at me, he was great, and even admitted that he had been a bit unfair towards me. And, if you got temporary banned, why not swallow it, and move on after your ban was lifted? Really, no need to make a big deal of it. I've been temporarily banned here once.

[Psuper]

Permanent ban. Since I can't contact friends I've made there, this is the next best thing to touch base with any who I've built a relationship with as many there are here as well, I just never bothered to make an account here. I suppose that's the #1 reason, to not only let them know I'll be around if they need me, but also to bring attention that my nose was wrongly shaped in Reasontalk land.

Reasontalk typically doesn't put up with any Propellerhead Reason criticism at all, I'm fine with that. Its taken me a long time and much effort to make most realize one of Propellerheads most vocal critics is also one of Propellerheads biggest cheerleaders. Kenni is one of the only mods who still doesn't "get" me, and I frankly don't care that's on him, however its unfair to users who look for people like me to provide a voice for their concerns in a way that doesn't come off like a hateful troll. I'm just one of many, but I'm effective and I know it, and my goal is to improve Reason, nothing else, and most people there get that.

Propellerhead doesn't have any other online representation, Reasontalk is it. I can live without both, but really don't want to, I have much to offer.

Regardless, I'm genuinely curious what people think about it there, and then I'll decide if if my efforts were wasted and simply move on, or if I should persevere to continue being an alternate strong voice of the long-term reason user despite my crooked nose.

[THE INTRANCER]

Yes, Reasontalk has a strong mob defending culture, at least from when I was last there 3 years ago, the original propellerheads forum was much better, it was lots of fun...Props were rarely ever there, rarely was anyone banned....moderation was light...Was a member on the forum for 13 years and got on well with the props developers, helped them with technical problems with Reason privately. On the new one I lasted 4 months lol....because some dude called Bavanity had a pathological grievance of my existence for 3 years... and he and his band of mates ganged up on me...because I posted some design work in the off topic forum of some 3D instruments I had made lol... I had already moved to Studio One 2 as my main daw anyway so...

Didn't have any issue's with Kenni on the old or new forum, but ended up being banned just to keep the Reason fanboi's happy there lol...

When it comes to software, I'll say how I see things honestly, even if that means rocking the boat of the fanboi's that try and protect it, whether that's a £3000 piece of software or £300... even if I own the software or not.

Gearslutz has a forum for Reason users, not quite as active but is more open minded, and free from cult followings I would imagine... but if you want to have your say on Reason or any software, there's many ways until the internet blows up and the global network is taken down.

[Hink]

Frankly, i think taking a dispute you had on another forum to this one a bad idea. Also not quite sure what you want to hear. Agreement, disagreement? Remember that forums are privately run. Admins can ban you, because your nose has the wrong shape. It is their sites, and their forums. They pay for the webspace, and give you a platform for discussion, if they feel like it. It's just fair that you comply to their rules.

The Reasontalk forums have quite a friendly, familiar atmosphere. And, yes, the mods there don't take very kindly to arguments. Probably a lot less kindly than the mods on KVR (but then, the KVR forums are almost unmoderated at times, which i don't think is cool either). Again, it's a privately run forum, and they pay the bills.

And, if you want my personal opinion, i also dealt with Kenni once, when i had an argument with someone else, and, after initially being a bit p***ed off at me, he was great, and even admitted that he had been a bit unfair towards me. And, if you got temporary banned, why not swallow it, and move on after your ban was lifted? Really, no need to make a big deal of it. I've been temporarily banned here once.

where's goldylocks when we need her? Over modding, not modding, damned if we do and damned if we dont...tis the nature of the beast

Anyhow chk071 is right, spillover from issues at another forum here is probably not a good idea

[woodsdenis]

Frankly, i think taking a dispute you had on another forum to this one a bad idea. Also not quite sure what you want to hear. Agreement, disagreement? Remember that forums are privately run. Admins can ban you, because your nose has the wrong shape. It is their sites, and their forums. They pay for the webspace, and give you a platform for discussion, if they feel like it. It's just fair that you comply to their rules.

The Reasontalk forums have quite a friendly, familiar atmosphere. And, yes, the mods there don't take very kindly to arguments. Probably a lot less kindly than the mods on KVR (but then, the KVR forums are almost unmoderated at times, which i don't think is cool either). Again, it's a privately run forum, and they pay the bills.

And, if you want my personal opinion, i also dealt with Kenni once, when i had an argument with someone else, and, after initially being a bit p***ed off at me, he was great, and even admitted that he had been a bit unfair towards me. And, if you got temporary banned, why not swallow it, and move on after your ban was lifted? Really, no need to make a big deal of it. I've been temporarily banned here once.

where's goldylocks when we need her? Over modding, not modding, damned if we do and damned if we dont...tis the nature of the beast

Anyhow chk071 is right, spillover from issues at another forum here is probably not a good idea

What he just said.

[tincture]

I love Reasontalk. It's great.

[kb420]

The original Reason forum was great. I had a lot of fun there. When the Props closed it, I completely left Reason alone. I have an account at Reasontalk, but that was never the same feel as the Props forum. I haven't used or updated Reason since version 8.

[EnGee]

I'm new to Reasontalk and found it friendlier than KVR really, but more strict maybe! Anyway, I feel Reasontalk is like Starbucks while KVR is like Sunday market

[chk071]

where's goldylocks when we need her? Over modding, not modding, damned if we do and damned if we dont...tis the nature of the beast

Not easy at all to find the right balance, i guess. FWIW, i don't have an issue with the kind of modding here, it's just that some threads really go haywire before a mod steps in, which, i guess, is rather a matter of the amount of people modding, than the actual modding.

Anyway, i mostly agree with what EnGee wrote. Reasontalk has quite a friendly, familiar atmosphere. I guess they're just more strict in retaining it.

[Psuper]

where's goldylocks when we need her? Over modding, not modding, damned if we do and damned if we dont...tis the nature of the beast

Not easy at all to find the right balance, i guess. FWIW, i don't have an issue with the kind of modding here, it's just that some threads really go haywire before a mod steps in, which, i guess, is rather a matter of the amount of people modding, than the actual modding.

Anyway, i mostly agree with what EnGee wrote. Reasontalk has quite a friendly, familiar atmosphere. I guess they're just more strict in retaining it.

Friendliness isn't what Reasontalk tries to maintain: there's plenty of jackoffs and trolls that can be as rude as they like as long as they're bashing the people being critical about Propellerhead.

Kenni doesn't like people who criticize Propellerhead, especially from those who are able to be constructive, compelling, and intelligent about it.

I've decided Reasontalk isn't worth my time. I've provided a ton of help to the users, plenty of solid suggestions for Propellerhead, and if Kenni allows his personal crusade and thin skin ruin his personal judgement of what a constructive forum should constitute, Reasontalk will simply continue to isolate Propellerhead from their users, and will be left with a handful of fanboys with permanent brown noses.

[v1o]

Kvr discussions tend to veer completely off topic after the first two pages. But it’s a lot more relaxed and allows more free opinions.

[THE INTRANCER]

Friendliness isn't what Reasontalk tries to maintain: there's plenty of jackoffs and trolls that can be as rude as they like as long as they're bashing the people being critical about Propellerhead.

Kenni doesn't like people who criticize Propellerhead, especially from those who are able to be constructive, compelling, and intelligent about it.

I've decided Reasontalk isn't worth my time. I've provided a ton of help to the users, plenty of solid suggestions for Propellerhead

The thing is though, Reason has since it's inception been looked upon for being inferior to competing daws and that reputation hasn't really gone away.... it's been playing catch up, and actual users are probably sick of hearing about it because that makes them think that what they are using is inferior and will forever be... It doesn't matter how you present it, some will flat out reject it because they fear change... or fear that even just mentioning the programs flaws or the companies policies will just prolong the agony even longer in a metaphorical sense...

Out of curiosity, what suggestions did you have seeing as you mentioned it in a few times in your posts for Reason ?

Before I moved on to a new daw, I documented a design of ideas... I posted a thread about it a few months back here. The reaction here was quite extraordinary, a mirror of the Reason community in effect. Here's what I left for Propellerheads to consider and think about in early 2015...and before Reason was ever released with dark skins.

[pekbro]

Before I moved on to a new daw, I documented a design of ideas... I posted a thread about it a few months back here. The reaction here was quite extraordinary

Aw, cmon now, that reaction was about the ideas themselves and the way you presented
them, not about the fact that they were made.

-Cheers

[gas pump]

Before I moved on to a new daw, I documented a design of ideas... I posted a thread about it a few months back here. The reaction here was quite extraordinary

Aw, cmon now, that reaction was about the ideas themselves and the way you presented
them, not about the fact that they were made.

-Cheers

Seeing as you are trying to present your response as something other then a backhanded reaction and a stealthy case of passive aggressive arsehole...

At least real people speak their minds and express their feelings without the constraints of other peoples' weak minded opinions.

We don't have to result to lying or fudging the numbers just to make you believe something other then the truth. Or pretend that we're saints and our word is golden.

Forums exist so people can communicate. It's when a band of like minded people gang up on an opinion that it becomes hypocritical and ironic to say the least.

As for those morons over at Propellerhead, they took on outside investment for a reason. And I'll give you a real hint, it wasn't because they were doing good.

And as for Reasontalk, who gives a sh!t about that place anyways.