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SamplingArt · Post by **SamplingArt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:05 pm

Check that:

http://www.comfortstand.com/catalog/031/index.html

From the website:

Living on broke ends and with ample free time we used what we had around to make the cassette... turntable, 2 cassette decks, discman, VCR, radio shack mixer and the Roland MS-1 Phrase Sampler.

All the sounds were sampled in on 8 touch pads on the Roland and while playing the song live by hitting the pads the output was sent to a cassette deck. Holding down the pads would repeat the loops which was nice and loop points were set before hitting record on the tape deck. Then the process was repeated by clearing out the Roland memory and loading up new sounds and playing them over the previously recorded cassette to a new tape in another deck. This was repeated to achieve the desired effect and/or the finished song. Normally each track had 1 to 6 overdubs. While playing the Roland Live we would load up sound effects CDs in the discman or a video tape in the VCR or a record on the turntable and pipe them live through the board for added effects.

You can listen to the release on the website. The music is surprisingly good considering what they had to do it. That proves you don't need lots of gear/softwares to create good music!

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:22 pm

SamplingArt wrote: You can listen to the release on the website. The music is surprisingly good considering what they had to do it. That proves you don't need lots of gear/softwares to create good music!

Well, everything is relative, isn´t it?

Good music for some may also be somebody playing Elvira Madigan backwards on a kazoo through a telephone, so sure making "good music" is not dependent on your budget. In this case a certain low-fi sound was desired, so there´s actually no need for using sophisticated gear.

I think it´s more interesting to discuss how music which sounds as if it´s got a 500000 € hardware-budget can be made using free softsynths for example...

SamplingArt · Post by **SamplingArt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:30 pm

To be honest I don't think that their release sound lo-fi, I think it sound quite good (but I'm listenning to it with on cheap headphones as I do't hear any background hiss/noise).

EJo · Post by **EJo** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:39 pm

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Alive In Chernobyl · Post by **Alive In Chernobyl** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:45 pm

EJo wrote:Cut the crap. You need real gear to get a professional-sounding material that will appeal to a wide audience. If you want just lo fi-nerds to listen to your stuff, then fine. Otherwize, use real stuff. Especially software-only reverb plug-ins, compressors and EQ are really bad. Don't use that crap if you want to get anywhere with your music. And don't listen to what the people who can't affoard real stuff says.

Funny! My music is played in tv shows, on commercials in radio and TV, grocery stores and on-hold lines. How much bigger audience can you get than this?

I use almost all software with a pro-sumer keyboard.

I think I am living on a different planet.

griels · Post by **griels** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:01 pm

Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native plugins. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:06 pm

EJo wrote:Cut the crap. You need real gear to get a professional-sounding material that will appeal to a wide audience. If you want just lo fi-nerds to listen to your stuff, then fine. Otherwize, use real stuff. Especially software-only reverb plug-ins, compressors and EQ are really bad. Don't use that crap if you want to get anywhere with your music. And don't listen to what the people who can't affoard real stuff says.

Twat

ianweb123 · Post by **ianweb123** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:08 pm

griels wrote:Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native software. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.

No the guy is obviously correct.. no wonder albums like Pet Sounds, and SGT Pepper were so succesful Neither of those were produced using anything but the latest state of the art digital hardware. Neither of those used any of that nerdy lo-fi software crap or silly old tape machines and imaginative use of found objects

griels · Post by **griels** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:11 pm

ianweb123 wrote:
griels wrote:Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native software. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.
No the guy is obviously correct.. no wonder albums like Pet Sounds, and SGT Pepper were so succesful Neither of those were produced using anything but the latest state of the art digital hardware. Neither of those used any of that nerdy lo-fi software crap or silly old tape machines and imaginative use of found objects

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:12 pm

ianweb123 wrote:
griels wrote:Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native software. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.
No the guy is obviously correct.. no wonder albums like Pet Sounds, and SGT Pepper were so succesful Neither of those were produced using anything but the latest state of the art digital hardware. Neither of those used any of that nerdy lo-fi software crap or silly old tape machines and imaginative use of found objects

Wasnt Sgt Peppers made in Reason?

kaden · Post by **kaden** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:15 pm

...and it had better have a Tracker interface too, dammit...

K

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:15 pm

Kriminal wrote:
ianweb123 wrote:
griels wrote:Listening to the mix.. Loving it

Ejo, you are talking nonsense. I know of several professionally successful producers who use almost exclusively native software. You MAY have a point about reverbs, but otherwise, native plugins are widely accepted in the commercial arena.
No the guy is obviously correct.. no wonder albums like Pet Sounds, and SGT Pepper were so succesful Neither of those were produced using anything but the latest state of the art digital hardware. Neither of those used any of that nerdy lo-fi software crap or silly old tape machines and imaginative use of found objects
Wasnt Sgt Peppers made in Reason?

Sielsynth · Post by **Sielsynth** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:17 pm

This stuff's a riot!

I like it alot.

Who cares what you use to make the music, if it appeals to anyone, mission accomplished. Most of the time only we tech-heads can pinpoint blemishes. If you use state of the art equipment to make a CD which is sold to a guy with a $1.95 speaker system what difference does it make.

I think this is very innovative. Reminds me of some of the early songs by Art of Noise.

Sonar55 · Post by **Sonar55** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:30 pm

ejo is actually very right u bedroom producers have no freaking clue about the music business and how it works thats why i feel so bad for all these fruity loops mix's and traktion producers and reason beatmakers...

all your dreams will be crushed if your ever put in a position for a label to aquire your songs im not talking about a record label that your friend started out of his garage or some local nonsense we will release your record anyday now label im talking about a real label....

if your making music as a hobby thats cool but if your serious about this craft stop with the loop making software its gonna bite u in your ass in the longrun

do you really think a mastering engineer who graduated from the audio arts is gonna spend weeks trying to fix your poor quality songs just cause the lead is nice or the bass is good???

imo dont ever use a sequencer that doesnt include some kind of import/export to protools if u use nuendo or logic your ok cause they support omf which is alot easier for the mastering engineer...

you guys think that internet downloads make a song great, you think cause some guy who made a song with reason then invested his own money to put in on vinyl gives u some kind of inspiration that u can do it also...if thats what u wanna do do it...

but if your serious about this craft start understanding what the difference between quality and quantity is....

and im not just talking out of my butt i was in the same situation i had decent songs in almost all of the cheap sequencers but when i finally got my foot in the real studio door all my tracks were scrapped due to nothing but poor quality...

get serious or else youll be 40 years old telling your friends u got a record coming out anyday now...

SamplingArt · Post by **SamplingArt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:31 pm

Sielsynth wrote:Who cares what you use to make the music, if it appeals to anyone, mission accomplished

Amen

for those who think you need highly sophisticated soft/gear