Where to begin...
I've listened to this music for about 18 years now. It doesn't really matter but I'm not new to listening. I [i]am [/i]new to production of any kind. I use to have Ableton, but never learned to use it. I used to have Omnisphere, but I believe I threw it away because I was so frustrated with trying to create music of any kind.
It feels like you need a separate freaking plug-in for every little step of the process. I felt like no sooner had I got Ableton, than I needed to get Omnisphere. Then I wanted Battery for proper flipping percussion!
Any advice at all would be nice. I'd like to be able to create trance or house. (think digweed, oakenfold, though I realize the employ the music of other artists. Sataoshi Tomiie is good, if you know who that is...) They're not too tremendously different in my book, but what do I know... I'm a total newb.
P.S. Will someone please tell me if nobody usually replies to these types of threads? Thanks.
Electronic Frontier: Save me from this DIY nightmare
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- KVRist
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
[quote="thecontrolcentre"]Which version of Live are you using? The Suite has pretty much all you need to make any type of music. Can you play any instruments? Any previous musical experience?[/quote]
I [i]was [/i]using Live... If I contact Ableton I'm sure they will let me download it again. It was version 7!
Shows I'm dated. Anyway... My take on Ableton was that it was going to take a lot of tweaking the drums for house or trance to sound credible. I don't know how to tweak them really.
I play guitar, but that's not what I want to do with KVR's knowledge base. What I'd really like is to play some really great House and/or Trance, but honestly... I don't know where to begin. I have seen studios that are pretty extensive AND expensive.
My musical experience includes zero practical training. I don't know how to read music. I'm not great with rhythm. And I suck with Ableton. Should I be seeking Ableton lessons somewhere? Maybe I've answered myself. Currently I am taking guitar lessons after having played around for 24 years or so with no success. I'm working on learning a tune called "Samba de Orpheu" (i think i spelled that right).
I [i]was [/i]using Live... If I contact Ableton I'm sure they will let me download it again. It was version 7!
Shows I'm dated. Anyway... My take on Ableton was that it was going to take a lot of tweaking the drums for house or trance to sound credible. I don't know how to tweak them really. I play guitar, but that's not what I want to do with KVR's knowledge base. What I'd really like is to play some really great House and/or Trance, but honestly... I don't know where to begin. I have seen studios that are pretty extensive AND expensive.
My musical experience includes zero practical training. I don't know how to read music. I'm not great with rhythm. And I suck with Ableton. Should I be seeking Ableton lessons somewhere? Maybe I've answered myself. Currently I am taking guitar lessons after having played around for 24 years or so with no success. I'm working on learning a tune called "Samba de Orpheu" (i think i spelled that right).
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- KVRian
- 626 posts since 15 Jun, 2015
Pick a DAW and take some classes. You won't get anywhere until you learn your tools. Berklee/Coursera offer some free ones on music production that are agnostic to whatever DAW you're using. They also have DAW-specific classes. Take both. Plenty of other free classes out there too if you do a web search.
You don't have to know music theory, be able to read music, or play an instrument to make music in a DAW, but boy, it sure helps.
Even minimal music theory, like chords and scales, will help you leaps and bounds. If you're already taking guitar lessons, that's bound to help. 
You don't have to know music theory, be able to read music, or play an instrument to make music in a DAW, but boy, it sure helps.
Even minimal music theory, like chords and scales, will help you leaps and bounds. If you're already taking guitar lessons, that's bound to help. -
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
[quote="RichieWitch"]Pick a DAW and take some classes. You won't get anywhere until you learn your tools. Berklee/Coursera offer some [u]free[/u] ones on music production that are agnostic to whatever DAW you're using. They also have DAW-specific classes. Take both. Plenty of other free classes out there too if you do a web search.
You don't have to know music theory, be able to read music, or play an instrument to make music in a DAW, but boy, it sure helps. Even minimal music theory, like chords and scales, will help you leaps and bounds. If you're already taking guitar lessons, that's bound to help. [/quote]
Thanks. I may inquire about DAW lessons at the place I take guitar and see what they have. In my experience I do better with brick and mortar (did online college, blech!) and like to work at a slower than usual pace; so maybe not online classes, but thank you a bundle for your reply!
You don't have to know music theory, be able to read music, or play an instrument to make music in a DAW, but boy, it sure helps.
Even minimal music theory, like chords and scales, will help you leaps and bounds. If you're already taking guitar lessons, that's bound to help. [/quote]Thanks. I may inquire about DAW lessons at the place I take guitar and see what they have. In my experience I do better with brick and mortar (did online college, blech!) and like to work at a slower than usual pace; so maybe not online classes, but thank you a bundle for your reply!
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- KVRAF
- 2461 posts since 9 Oct, 2008 from UK
Lots on YouTube. Try doing stuff, even if the outcome isn't perfect. Follow tutorials. Get stuff down, even if it isn't perfect. Get used to that before you worry about effects plug-ins. You can always redo bits you're not happy with, perhaps another day.
[W10-64, T5/6/7/W8/9/10/11/12/13, 32(to W8)&64 all, Spike],[W7-32, T5/6/7/W8, Gina16] everything underused.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
Thanks everyone! Per your advice, I've looked into it and found a community college course that might be just the thing (I'll have to take it and see!)
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- KVRAF
- 4080 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
Suscribe to ask.audio, check out the tutorials by Multiplier on specific genres, then watch some more on how to use ableton and there are quite a few "making a track from beginning to end" courses there too.
What you need is patience, this stuff is hard and requires a steep learning curve, learn first how to use Ableton, then some music theory, then some mixing and last some synthesis, and repeat those.
And you don't need a shit ton of plugins, any DAW with some instruments is enough, Ableton Live Suite is more than cappable without any 3rd party plugin,
What you need is patience, this stuff is hard and requires a steep learning curve, learn first how to use Ableton, then some music theory, then some mixing and last some synthesis, and repeat those.
And you don't need a shit ton of plugins, any DAW with some instruments is enough, Ableton Live Suite is more than cappable without any 3rd party plugin,
dedication to flying
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
[quote="rod_zero"]Suscribe to ask.audio, check out the tutorials by Multiplier on specific genres, then watch some more on how to use ableton and there are quite a few "making a track from beginning to end" courses there too.
What you need is patience, this stuff is hard and requires a steep learning curve, learn first how to use Ableton, then some music theory, then some mixing and last some synthesis, and repeat those.
And you don't need a shit ton of plugins, any DAW with some instruments is enough, Ableton Live Suite is more than cappable without any 3rd party plugin,[/quote]
Thank you. I am now looking into upgrading to Suite (I have LE which I think is Lite, or Intro) with my student discount. It's going to cost a bundle, but it sounds like it's worth it from all everyone has said.
What you need is patience, this stuff is hard and requires a steep learning curve, learn first how to use Ableton, then some music theory, then some mixing and last some synthesis, and repeat those.
And you don't need a shit ton of plugins, any DAW with some instruments is enough, Ableton Live Suite is more than cappable without any 3rd party plugin,[/quote]
Thank you. I am now looking into upgrading to Suite (I have LE which I think is Lite, or Intro) with my student discount. It's going to cost a bundle, but it sounds like it's worth it from all everyone has said.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
Wow... Just found out it's going to cost me $449 for Ableton Live 10 Suite. That's a steal, but it's still way more than I've got right now. I'm going to have to get a loan to afford this software. Thanks everyone.
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- KVRist
- 159 posts since 2 Feb, 2017
Well you can stay with LE and just add a few free synths, samples etc. And I do mean get a few good ones and spend some time learning to use them. You can make really good music without spending a penny but instead you need to spend time and effort.
Mostly it's about you learning how to use what you've got. You ain't going to make " really great House and/or Trance" without spending some time learning to use the tools...just like I guess you didn't manage to play any really great guitar music without putting some time in on it.
Steve
Mostly it's about you learning how to use what you've got. You ain't going to make " really great House and/or Trance" without spending some time learning to use the tools...just like I guess you didn't manage to play any really great guitar music without putting some time in on it.
Steve
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
I learned a little bit by using Spectrasonics Omnisphere, but I hated it. It wasn't what I signed up for, and felt like it was more than I could handle. Modulate this, arp that, etc. It was work! But I guess really it was just that the sounds didn't really lend themselves to any sort of techno that I was listening to at that time; though my palette/catalog has grown.slipstick wrote:Well you can stay with LE and just add a few free synths, samples etc. And I do mean get a few good ones and spend some time learning to use them. You can make really good music without spending a penny but instead you need to spend time and effort.
Mostly it's about you learning how to use what you've got. You ain't going to make " really great House and/or Trance" without spending some time learning to use the tools...just like I guess you didn't manage to play any really great guitar music without putting some time in on it.
Steve
Really good advice. Thank you.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 137 posts since 10 Feb, 2010
thanks. i'm signed up for a college course in music production, but it doesn't start until Fall. Here's hoping for the best!thecontrolcentre wrote:If you don't learn the basics, you wont be making any music worth listening to anytime soon.spendthrift2 wrote:It wasn't what I signed up for, and felt like it was more than I could handle. Modulate this, arp that, etc. It was work!
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
Good luck.spendthrift2 wrote:thanks. i'm signed up for a college course in music production, but it doesn't start until Fall. Here's hoping for the best!thecontrolcentre wrote:If you don't learn the basics, you wont be making any music worth listening to anytime soon.spendthrift2 wrote:It wasn't what I signed up for, and felt like it was more than I could handle. Modulate this, arp that, etc. It was work!