Urs & Co. (Please release a full blown wavetable synth already)

[Doc Brown]

Sorry for the quasi sensationalist title but I really want to see a full on wavetable monster from U-he and I'm tired of waiting...

I'm not a u-he fan boy but I really like supporting this company and developers like them. I like their copy protection, forum presence, website, willingness to go hardware, and pure talent and quality of their work. In full disclosure I only own Diva and Satin but will be buying Repro as the demos are very good and typical u-he excellence.

There's a lot of wavetable softies out there and I own ppg 3 and Largo but Waldorf just happens to be one of my least favorite devs because their customer support is terrible to non existent and they don't bother with some longstanding bug fixes. I digress.

For various reasons u-he has become a company that I enjoy supporting almost as much as their plugins, TAL and others also. So, I am holding out hope for your wavetable synth Urs and company and I hope it's a possibility but I guess patience is a virtue.

[wagtunes]

Sorry for the quasi sensationalist title but I really want to see a full on wavetable monster from U-he and I'm tired of waiting...

I'm not a u-he fan boy but I really like supporting this company and developers like them. I like their copy protection, forum presence, website, willingness to go hardware, and pure talent and quality of their work. In full disclosure I only own Diva and Satin but will be buying Repro as the demos are very good and typical u-he excellence.

There's a lot of wavetable softies out there and I own ppg 3 and Largo but Waldorf just happens to be one of my least favorite devs because their customer support is terrible to non existent and they don't bother with some longstanding bug fixes. I digress.

For various reasons u-he has become a company that I enjoy supporting almost as much as their plugins, TAL and others also. So, I am holding out hope for your wavetable synth Urs and company and I hope it's a possibility but I guess patience is a virtue.

There is no question, IMO, that U-he is the top synth company for soft synths. If they made a wave table synth I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Somehow, however, I don't think one is coming any time soon, if ever. I don't think it's a priority for them.

[Doc Brown]

Fine wags, I'll settle for a user friendly fm monster as I won't be getting any fm hardware synths. Oh, actually I would really love to see a Ensoniq sq-80 emulation as the tried and true staple sq8l is limited and aging rapidly. Maybe I should change the thread title... lol The hardware Ensoniqs are awesome but at this point they are ticking time bombs and parts are hard to come by.

[stillshaded]

Uh.. zebra?

[Yorrrrrr]

Zebra 3 is all I need.

[Doc Brown]

Uh.. zebra?

That's not a full on wavetable synth but rather a very versatile synth with some wavetable functionality.

[Shiek927]

Lets not distract them from Zebra3. It's taken long enough as it is haha!

[EvilDragon]

It very much is a full-on wavetable synth with some very unique ways of mangling the wavetables...

[fmr]

Uh.. zebra?

That's not a full on wavetable synth but rather a very versatile synth with some wavetable functionality.

I think that the future Zebra 3 will have the wavetable expanded, but the current Zebra is a full blown wavetable synth (you can even import analyzed samples into its wavetables, via third party utilities). The only drawback is that that the wavetables only have 16 waves.

[bbtr]

What's this obsession with wavetable synths? I fail to get it.

[Urs]

What's this obsession with wavetable synths? I fail to get it.

Me neither.

I understand the promise of wavetables - hey, I can move this sound from here to there - but in the end it's technically a very clumsy way of doing this. First off, it's one-dimensional. Secondly one needs hundreds of waveform cycles to get a smooth transition for something interesting. Classic wavetable synthesis to me resembles a mindset of quantity over quality.

It is indefinitely more elegant and useful to create transitions algorithmically, e.g. by applying a formula with a set of variables onto a single waveform's spectrum. Modulate the variables and the spectrum changes seamlessly. Have two or three variables/formulas and things are not one-dimensional anymore.

Speaking of one-dimensional transitions... the funny thing is that classic wavetables lend themselves to be displayed as 3-dimensional graphs on a synth UI. I think this has more to do with the current obsession of wavetables than the actual musical results coming out of these.

/rant

[cron]

Me neither.

I understand the promise of wavetables - hey, I can move this sound from here to there - but in the end it's technically a very clumsy way of doing this. First off, it's one-dimensional. Secondly one needs hundreds of waveform cycles to get a smooth transition for something interesting. Classic wavetable synthesis to me resembles a mindset of quantity over quality.

It is indefinitely more elegant and useful to create transitions algorithmically, e.g. by applying a formula with a set of variables onto a single waveform's spectrum. Modulate the variables and the spectrum changes seamlessly. Have two or three variables/formulas and things are not one-dimensional anymore.

Agreed. Serum, with its 256 frames, can't handle anything near 16 disparate waveforms smoothly. As few as 3 or 4 can show it up, depending on how you're using it.

[Urs]

Edit: nevermind - I misread the post and re-iterated the point

[SLiC]

I am not sure I would buy another wavetable specific synth even from UHE! You pretty much just playing back wavetables one way or another, Serum pretty much nailed it, and then you have the flexible synths like Falcon, Avenger and to a degree Zebra where its just 'one more' layer or Osc type. Learning the wavetable functions of Zebra would probably be your best bet, especially if you like the UIHE filter etc, as its often what comes after the wavetable manipulation that drives the sound.


You can load, draw, modulate wavetables, pretty much everything you need in Zebra...

[skyscape]

I don't really understand the obsession with wavetables at the moment either. There are plenty of good wavetable synths out there, it's the in thing at the moment, in fact it's a bit oversaturated. After I got Serum I felt I didn't really need anything else to cover wavetables but just about everyone seems to be bringing out a wavetable synth these days. If you want to support a very responsive dev though take a look at https://www.fathomsynth.com/wavetable/ which is already capable and is being very actively worked on. It also does a lot of other stuff so it's not just flavour of the month wavetable synthesis.