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Juljan · Post by **Juljan** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:40 pm

Hi there,

I read that some intervals (or maybe even chords) are used really often by Max Martin, also other people like Dr. Luke, Shellback and so on.

Could you go a little bit more into detail about your insights?

Cheers!

– Juljan

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:31 pm

Where to begin? There are just twelve intervals, in essence just six of them when not counting the doubles. So I'd say All of them!!

Go analyse some songs and figure out what's actually used. Maybe mention one specific song and someone can provide the chords and melody, deduce the intervals from that.

Sorry, no hit record is ever written with a "paint by numbers" strategy.

acYm · Post by **acYm** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:52 am

I think he just meant I V IV VI.

Basically just make a simple progression with any variation of these chords in any order and it will sound like the radio.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:26 am

Probably this then:

Axis of Awesome - 4 Four Chord Song

ChamMusic · Post by **ChamMusic** » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:39 pm

BertKoor wrote:Sorry, no hit record is ever written with a "paint by numbers" strategy.

Tell that to:

Brill Building
Motown
Atlantic
Stock, Aitken and Waterman
Max Martin
Karl Schuster and Martin Sandberg
Tor Hermansen and Mikkel Eriksen

I know what you mean, but there is often a formula behind the scenes! It sometimes needs a little bit of magic / talent as well, but a formula of some sort is still there.

Kinh · Post by **Kinh** » Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:13 am

WHat do you mean intervals? Intervals are applicable to individual instruments/tracks. When you say Max Martin or other producers you have to mean arrangement or chord progression or something.

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:24 pm

ChamMusic wrote:
BertKoor wrote:Sorry, no hit record is ever written with a "paint by numbers" strategy.
Tell that to:

Brill Building
Motown
Atlantic
Stock, Aitken and Waterman
Max Martin
Karl Schuster and Martin Sandberg
Tor Hermansen and Mikkel Eriksen

I know what you mean, but there is often a formula behind the scenes! It sometimes needs a little bit of magic / talent as well, but a formula of some sort is still there.

Max Martin and Martin Sandberg is the same person, I believe.

ChamMusic · Post by **ChamMusic** » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm

JoseC. wrote:
ChamMusic wrote:
BertKoor wrote:Sorry, no hit record is ever written with a "paint by numbers" strategy.
Tell that to:

Brill Building
Motown
Atlantic
Stock, Aitken and Waterman
Max Martin
Karl Schuster and Martin Sandberg
Tor Hermansen and Mikkel Eriksen

I know what you mean, but there is often a formula behind the scenes! It sometimes needs a little bit of magic / talent as well, but a formula of some sort is still there.
Max Martin and Martin Sandberg is the same person, I believe.

Ha! Good point...I was typing quickly and didn't realise I'd done that!

He also, briefly, went by Matin White in his Glam Rock days!

musiclover91 · Post by **musiclover91** » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:01 pm

Its more than chords man. Just sharing this:)

Bippo · Post by **Bippo** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:22 am

I don't think you should look for any specific intervals or chords. All these intervals and chords have been used gazillion times in numeros songs and styles for hundreds of years. You won't find any uniqueness in that aspect. If your goal is to emulate (or get inspired by) these songwriters, the only thing you can do is studying their songs, analyze their melodies, chord progressions, structure etc...that takes a lot of time and dedication but that's really the best thing you can do.

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:35 am

https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/co ... ogressions

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:39 am

If you're studying anybody whose sold records that chart on billboard then no actually it won't take alot of time, they all use the same chords, progressions and song structures lol

Bippo wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:22 am I don't think you should look for any specific intervals or chords. All these intervals and chords have been used gazillion times in numeros songs and styles for hundreds of years. You won't find any uniqueness in that aspect. If your goal is to emulate (or get inspired by) these songwriters, the only thing you can do is studying their songs, analyze their melodies, chord progressions, structure etc...that takes a lot of time and dedication but that's really the best thing you can do.

Bippo · Post by **Bippo** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:02 am

It depends on what level you want to reach. If you just want to learn "what" is in the songs, it won't take a long period of time. But if you want to study these songs and reach a deep level of understanding and an ability to emulate these songwriters and actually WRITE songs that will reach the top-40 like the people the op mentioned, that's a whole different story.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:54 pm

"Max Martin" is a red herring here. There is nothing unique about the individual's practice particularly.
If you want to know the mechanics of a specific song, analyze it specifically and draw inference from your findings.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:59 pm

ChamMusic wrote: Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm
JoseC. wrote:
ChamMusic wrote:
BertKoor wrote:Sorry, no hit record is ever written with a "paint by numbers" strategy.
Tell that to:

Brill Building
Motown
Atlantic
Stock, Aitken and Waterman
Max Martin
Karl Schuster and Martin Sandberg
Tor Hermansen and Mikkel Eriksen

I know what you mean, but there is often a formula behind the scenes! It sometimes needs a little bit of magic / talent as well, but a formula of some sort is still there.
Max Martin and Martin Sandberg is the same person, I believe.

Ha! Good point...I was typing quickly and didn't realise I'd done that!

He also, briefly, went by Matin White in his Glam Rock days!

probably a spy.

Common intervals/chords by Max Martin