donkeyt-seeing red-indie funk jangle pop
- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
..or as I shall call it - 'donkeywave'
Nile Rodgers won't be having any sleepless nights on the funk guitar front , but it's not bad by my standards. Quite pleased (so far) with my attempt at ludicrous disco string bits as well. The jangle guitar is second nature of course...when I start f**king that up I'm giving up.
http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/don ... 80918b.mp3
As always, will need to let it cogitate in terms of vocal levels and automation, but hopefully not too far off.
Nile Rodgers won't be having any sleepless nights on the funk guitar front , but it's not bad by my standards. Quite pleased (so far) with my attempt at ludicrous disco string bits as well. The jangle guitar is second nature of course...when I start f**king that up I'm giving up.
http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/don ... 80918b.mp3
As always, will need to let it cogitate in terms of vocal levels and automation, but hopefully not too far off.
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- KVRAF
- 5903 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK
I always enjoy listening to your stuff.
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- KVRAF
- 2359 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
There's something bugging me about your stereo image. On the right side of the image, I am missing the balancing counterpoint to the funk guitar on the left. It's not until the break that I feel balance has been restored, and that's the moment the funk guitar drops out. This is on both phones and speakers, although I found it more pronounced on speakers.
The brass is also a bit lifeless initially, though I find that any fake brass tends to be. The part itself sounds fine in terms of composition and everything, it's just that bit flat and just "there". Not sure what to suggest aside from getting some actual real musicians in though... I preferred the later brass, it's a bit more lively and adds a lot more to the track.
Not sure the vocals are quite right in the beginning either. I'd almost suggest trying a different delivery style.
The indie part sounds better overall, but that's probably because you do these things blind. Things sound much better/more balanced when it gets all filled up.
In terms of composition, it's an interesting blend and definitely works. I'm thinking you just need to take another look at the beginning. It doesn't sound like vintage DT yet, it's still lacking something. Maybe you struggle with sparse arrangements?
There is the odd guitar strum that is a fraction off time in the funk bit though... Can you chop/comp? It's really minor and not horrible or anything. But you did draw attention to it with your OP.
The brass is also a bit lifeless initially, though I find that any fake brass tends to be. The part itself sounds fine in terms of composition and everything, it's just that bit flat and just "there". Not sure what to suggest aside from getting some actual real musicians in though... I preferred the later brass, it's a bit more lively and adds a lot more to the track.
Not sure the vocals are quite right in the beginning either. I'd almost suggest trying a different delivery style.
The indie part sounds better overall, but that's probably because you do these things blind. Things sound much better/more balanced when it gets all filled up.
In terms of composition, it's an interesting blend and definitely works. I'm thinking you just need to take another look at the beginning. It doesn't sound like vintage DT yet, it's still lacking something. Maybe you struggle with sparse arrangements?
There is the odd guitar strum that is a fraction off time in the funk bit though... Can you chop/comp? It's really minor and not horrible or anything. But you did draw attention to it with your OP.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
I had a slapback delay (in the 'Let's Dance' stylee) panned on the right hand side from the funk guitar which I appear to have automated out.. Easy to fix, never picked it up on the speakers, but definitely miss it on headphones..wood for trees..!sjm wrote:There's something bugging me about your stereo image. On the right side of the image, I am missing the balancing counterpoint to the funk guitar on the left. It's not until the break that I feel balance has been restored, and that's the moment the funk guitar drops out. This is on both phones and speakers, although I found it more pronounced on speakers.
The brass is also a bit lifeless initially, though I find that any fake brass tends to be. The part itself sounds fine in terms of composition and everything, it's just that bit flat and just "there". Not sure what to suggest aside from getting some actual real musicians in though... I preferred the later brass, it's a bit more lively and adds a lot more to the track.
Not sure the vocals are quite right in the beginning either. I'd almost suggest trying a different delivery style.
The indie part sounds better overall, but that's probably because you do these things blind. Things sound much better/more balanced when it gets all filled up.
In terms of composition, it's an interesting blend and definitely works. I'm thinking you just need to take another look at the beginning. It doesn't sound like vintage DT yet, it's still lacking something. Maybe you struggle with sparse arrangements?
There is the odd guitar strum that is a fraction off time in the funk bit though... Can you chop/comp? It's really minor and not horrible or anything. But you did draw attention to it with your OP.
Brass, there's a reason I seldom use it..
As to the vocal - hmm, got that verse melody and delivery in my head now, I'll give it a few days and have a think- it might be staying though..I could just put it through a load of distortion.
I do take the point on the guitar though and there's enough there (recorded a lot, until the barre chords started to totally kill me ) to comp some of the better bits I think.
- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Thank you sir. I (mostly) enjoy doing it!The Noodlist wrote:I always enjoy listening to your stuff.
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- KVRAF
- 21189 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
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Mix - 9.5
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Comments: Nice guitar work. Nice arrangement. What's there to say? Typical excellent you.
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- KVRAF
- 2359 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
I'm not really that into funk (though I like the RHCP), but I'd have thought a bit more staccato/percussive; nothing wrong with the melody. It could also just be the fact that the whole section sounded a bit empty without the delay. It definitely had that feeling that something was missing...donkey tugger wrote:As to the vocal - hmm, got that verse melody and delivery in my head now, I'll give it a few days and have a think- it might be staying though..I could just put it through a load of distortion.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Cheers!wagtunes wrote:
Nice guitar work.
- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Got into old soul and funk quite a bit over the last few years, not sure how my teenage metelhead self would view this...sjm wrote:I'm not really that into funk (though I like the RHCP), but I'd have thought a bit more staccato/percussive; nothing wrong with the melody. It could also just be the fact that the whole section sounded a bit empty without the delay. It definitely had that feeling that something was missing...donkey tugger wrote:As to the vocal - hmm, got that verse melody and delivery in my head now, I'll give it a few days and have a think- it might be staying though..I could just put it through a load of distortion.
Made a few changes;
Put the slapback delay back on the guitar and tried to use the best bits - at least got rid of the ones where I completely missed the strings.
Bit of phaser on the brass to give it a tad of movement (you can get away with it in funk, not sure it would work if it was for the Salvation Army band)
Corrected a couple of wobbly vocal bits.
New version up top and here;
http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/don ... 180918.mp3
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- KVRAF
- 2359 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
Have you thought of adding a second brass section at the beginning doing shorter parp parp things with a strong attack? Nothing fancy, just reinforcing the first note of the longer sustained ones some accents here and there, e.g. two quarter note accented parps, or even one shorter and then longer one?
At any rate, the delay has made a world of difference to the lop-sidedness of the mix.
At any rate, the delay has made a world of difference to the lop-sidedness of the mix.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
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- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Nice idea. I'd thought about somehow varying it, but not adding something on top, Had a stab (hohoh..) with some parps in the verses where there's no singing or strings.sjm wrote:Have you thought of adding a second brass section at the beginning doing shorter parp parp things with a strong attack? Nothing fancy, just reinforcing the first note of the longer sustained ones some accents here and there, e.g. two quarter note accented parps, or even one shorter and then longer one?
http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/don ... 80918b.mp3
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- KVRAF
- 2359 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
I find that adds just a bit more dynamics to the brass. It's not as flat any more. The first section is a lot more lively compared to the initial version now that you've done some tweaks.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Nice one, cheers for the ears (nice lyric that..) as ever. I'll wager that's bastard brass dispensed with for at least another year when I foolishly again think, "ah, some brass would be good on this..".sjm wrote:I find that adds just a bit more dynamics to the brass. It's not as flat any more. The first section is a lot more lively compared to the initial version now that you've done some tweaks.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105507 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- Boss Lovin' DR
- Topic Starter
- 12493 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
f**k no! G,C,D and some B picky thing for the chorus type bits, and then some other barre chords for the verse with some numbers after them - 7 I'd guess.vurt wrote:any f chords?donkey tugger wrote:Cheers!wagtunes wrote:
Nice guitar work.