Analyzing THD on Emulations of Analog Hardware (Part I: Compressors)
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- KVRian
- 659 posts since 25 Sep, 2010
Not surprising, and none of these indicate any cause for concern. The Lindell product is up front about its distortion, actually part of the sales pitch, but even that one's harmonics are negligible at less than -90 dB. The "hair" in the 670 graph is well down in the noise floor.
Unlike analog devices, properly implemented digital emulations won't introduce any harmonic distortion that isn't intentional. Of course, it's good to know if a plugin does distort without telling you. Maybe test some "color" EQs to see if that's their magic sauce.
BTW, a handy tool for testing plugins is DDMF's PluginDoctor. It doesn't do anything you can't already do with standard metering tools, but it's very convenient.
Unlike analog devices, properly implemented digital emulations won't introduce any harmonic distortion that isn't intentional. Of course, it's good to know if a plugin does distort without telling you. Maybe test some "color" EQs to see if that's their magic sauce.
BTW, a handy tool for testing plugins is DDMF's PluginDoctor. It doesn't do anything you can't already do with standard metering tools, but it's very convenient.
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- KVRian
- 692 posts since 8 Jan, 2017
Most of the analog emulation plugins do introduce undesirable distortion: Aliasing.bbaggins wrote: Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:14 pm Not surprising, and none of these indicate any cause for concern. The Lindell product is up front about its distortion, actually part of the sales pitch, but even that one's harmonics are negligible at less than -90 dB. The "hair" in the 670 graph is well down in the noise floor.
Unlike analog devices, properly implemented digital emulations won't introduce any harmonic distortion that isn't intentional. Of course, it's good to know if a plugin does distort without telling you. Maybe test some "color" EQs to see if that's their magic sauce.
BTW, a handy tool for testing plugins is DDMF's PluginDoctor. It doesn't do anything you can't already do with standard metering tools, but it's very convenient.
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- KVRAF
- 1791 posts since 17 Sep, 2002
Here is a link to an old thread from the Reaper forum where people were testing the harmonic coloration (or lack thereof) of different compressors and limiters in a different way than you are doing. They used a spectrogram with a sine sweep with -6db of gain reduction, instead of a spectrum analyzer with a static tone. You can even download the Reaper project file from the first post of the thread to play around with it yourself (and enjoy the benefits of Reaper's fully-featured trial, if you haven't already
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I don't really have any insight to offer, but I thought you might be interested in checking out some of the results there if analyzing plugins is something you like.
You can use that method to get a pretty interesting visual representation of what a plugin is doing to your sound, and it doesn't have to necessarily be a compressor or limiter (reverbs yield some cool looking results, for intsance).
They explain the graphs a little more in post #8 of that thread. Essentially it's about identifying which limiters are "clean" and which impose some sort of "color" on the audio, and the extent of that "color."
I don't really have any insight to offer, but I thought you might be interested in checking out some of the results there if analyzing plugins is something you like.
You can use that method to get a pretty interesting visual representation of what a plugin is doing to your sound, and it doesn't have to necessarily be a compressor or limiter (reverbs yield some cool looking results, for intsance).
They explain the graphs a little more in post #8 of that thread. Essentially it's about identifying which limiters are "clean" and which impose some sort of "color" on the audio, and the extent of that "color."
- KVRian
- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Dynamic processes are a bugger to test. A lot is dependent on attack/release setting but the 'gotcha' is that a lot of the old analog stuff has auto attack/and or release built in(sometimes even without it being know to the end-user), the only real way(IMHO) to test it properly is alongside the real deal by throwing fast ramping signals at it and checking the attack/release curves over time. 95% of a compressors' sound is it's attack release curves *over time*.
That being said, a lot of old comps do have colour without doing anything. So try this, put threshold high, and attack and release the slowest that you can (40ms release is actually considered very fast btw), lowest ratio possible, then turn the input volume up and the output down(might wanna do this with external gain plug and crank both controls half-way input/output amps might distort differently). The Blueface 1176 (CLA-76) should have more distortion than a Blackface 1176. The Lindell is based on a diode-bridge gain cell, with some rather bulky transformers - so I expect a bit more distortion from that one. Also to test if they did model the transformers, do 2 tests if you see distortion, one @50Hz and another at 1kHz. If present, there should be more distortion at the low end(predominantly odd harmonics), and there should be a hipass looking effect anywhere below 20Hz. The Neve 2254, LA 1176 and 670 all have transformers, not too sure about the others.
*Edit*: also remember that a 1176's attack/release controls works kinda backwards, higher settings equals faster times. And you probably want to use larger window sizes on your analyzer plugin when checking out the low end(can adjust it in settings).
That being said, a lot of old comps do have colour without doing anything. So try this, put threshold high, and attack and release the slowest that you can (40ms release is actually considered very fast btw), lowest ratio possible, then turn the input volume up and the output down(might wanna do this with external gain plug and crank both controls half-way input/output amps might distort differently). The Blueface 1176 (CLA-76) should have more distortion than a Blackface 1176. The Lindell is based on a diode-bridge gain cell, with some rather bulky transformers - so I expect a bit more distortion from that one. Also to test if they did model the transformers, do 2 tests if you see distortion, one @50Hz and another at 1kHz. If present, there should be more distortion at the low end(predominantly odd harmonics), and there should be a hipass looking effect anywhere below 20Hz. The Neve 2254, LA 1176 and 670 all have transformers, not too sure about the others.
*Edit*: also remember that a 1176's attack/release controls works kinda backwards, higher settings equals faster times. And you probably want to use larger window sizes on your analyzer plugin when checking out the low end(can adjust it in settings).
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- KVRian
- 659 posts since 25 Sep, 2010
That's too broad a stroke.Most of the analog emulation plugins do introduce undesirable distortion: Aliasing.
1. Aliasing isn't distortion, it's a by-product of distortion.
2. Plugins cannot cause aliasing directly, unless designed specifically to do so.
3. "Analog" shouldn't be part of the argument. Aliasing is a purely digital phenomenon that has nothing to do with attempting to emulate an analog process. "Analog" doesn't necessarily imply distortion.
I will concede, however, that some plugins are better at preventing aliasing than others.
But even if a compressor doesn't make any attempt to mitigate frequencies higher than the Nyquist frequency, it shouldn't cause any distortion when no compression is taking effect. Unless, of course, the designer explicitly meant to introduce harmonic distortion for character, such as the Lindell product.
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- KVRAF
- 4720 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Wanna see something really cool? Start pulling some serious gain reduction and check out Pro-C in "Mastering" mode - basically zero harmonics even with lots of compression. Cleaner than it's own Clean mode or any other compressor I've ever analysed. Don't ask me how they did that!
