Perhaps it's time for me to upgrade my Tannoy Reveals.
What say you?
Best monitors in the same price bracket as HR824s?
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Having worked 2 years with HR824 and then settling with Dynaudio BM6A I can say that I didn't go wrong. They simply have no fatique. With mackies you'd be struggling a bit, especially after you try to get used to them. The transient response with mackie is also a bit too "hifi speaker like".
There is a sort of learning curve with the BM6A though, as they are kind of "in a different league". The imaging with them is spot on. With good sounding room setup you can point out panned instruments within the image with the accuracy of like few inches, which is not only cool, but very useful.
Can't say too much about the sound, as it's quite subjective. But these are clear, punchy and pleasing at all times. Dare I add 'pristine'?
The price is about the same nowadays I think?
There is another player in the same league though, the Adam range, but they have a bit different sound. I haven't heard them yet, but almost everybody seems to like them, too.
I'm sure there's more but I doubt you can go wrong with any Dynaudio or Adam.
There is a sort of learning curve with the BM6A though, as they are kind of "in a different league". The imaging with them is spot on. With good sounding room setup you can point out panned instruments within the image with the accuracy of like few inches, which is not only cool, but very useful.
Can't say too much about the sound, as it's quite subjective. But these are clear, punchy and pleasing at all times. Dare I add 'pristine'?
The price is about the same nowadays I think?
There is another player in the same league though, the Adam range, but they have a bit different sound. I haven't heard them yet, but almost everybody seems to like them, too.
I'm sure there's more but I doubt you can go wrong with any Dynaudio or Adam.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3420 posts since 26 Mar, 2002 from london
The Adam stuff all looks a fair bit more expensive.
Ideally I'd like to spend something around the £700 range, so the Mackies are as far as I could stretch. Just over £1000 is the upper limit.
Ideally I'd like to spend something around the £700 range, so the Mackies are as far as I could stretch. Just over £1000 is the upper limit.
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Yeah, the Adams seem a bit dear.
Oh yeah, don't go for the mackies just because lots of people have them (and paid loads for them). Mackie is the american behringer, quality-wise, although many dare to admit it.
www.thomann.de 491.18 GBP for BM6A. Dunno whether it's pair or each, either way it's a good deal. (lot less than I paid for them back in the day)
You can't go wrong with them.
Oh yeah, don't go for the mackies just because lots of people have them (and paid loads for them). Mackie is the american behringer, quality-wise, although many dare to admit it.
www.thomann.de 491.18 GBP for BM6A. Dunno whether it's pair or each, either way it's a good deal. (lot less than I paid for them back in the day)
You can't go wrong with them.
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- KVRian
- 509 posts since 15 Jul, 2002 from NYC
I don't think that's necessarily a good reason not to get a pair of monitors. Using a monitor that's as widely used as the Mackie (it's becoming somewhat of a studio standard) can be very beneficial if you plan on taking work to a studio or collaborating with others.Kingston wrote:Oh yeah, don't go for the mackies just because lots of people have them (and paid loads for them).
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- KVRian
- 1219 posts since 12 Aug, 2002
Not a fan of the Genelecs. I find the tweeter hypey and tiring, and the mids sound scooped. In short my impression has always been that they initially sound too flattering. I know folks that are fond of them, but for me I always felt lost monitoring on them.
The Dynaudios are another thing. The way the tweeter and woofer are matched on these boxes is very nice. They work lovely together. Their lack of distortion is wonderful, and as pointed out, the spacial imaging is superb. A joy to mix on these.
As for the ADAMs. I have tried very hard to like these things, but I just can't seem to. The ribbon tweeter is amazing on one hand, but in order to really appreciate it you have to be very still between the speakers, right in the sweet spot. Unlike the Dynaudio, the tweeter/woofer relationship in the ADAMs failed to work for me. They did not have the cohesiveness the Dyns display so very well. Also I could hit the Dynaudios harder before the headroom was used up. I was actually a bit taken back by the ADAMs weak headroom. Now I don't remember the model number, but they were six and eight inch boxes.
The Dynaudios would be my choice of these three. The best would be if you can get all three of the buggers set up in your room and do a spot of mixing on them, just work the way you normally work and see how you get on.
The Dynaudios are another thing. The way the tweeter and woofer are matched on these boxes is very nice. They work lovely together. Their lack of distortion is wonderful, and as pointed out, the spacial imaging is superb. A joy to mix on these.
As for the ADAMs. I have tried very hard to like these things, but I just can't seem to. The ribbon tweeter is amazing on one hand, but in order to really appreciate it you have to be very still between the speakers, right in the sweet spot. Unlike the Dynaudio, the tweeter/woofer relationship in the ADAMs failed to work for me. They did not have the cohesiveness the Dyns display so very well. Also I could hit the Dynaudios harder before the headroom was used up. I was actually a bit taken back by the ADAMs weak headroom. Now I don't remember the model number, but they were six and eight inch boxes.
The Dynaudios would be my choice of these three. The best would be if you can get all three of the buggers set up in your room and do a spot of mixing on them, just work the way you normally work and see how you get on.
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- KVRian
- 868 posts since 2 Jan, 2003 from In the foothills of the Rocky Mountains
Kingston, you are way off here. I'm not sure if you are talking about monitors only or the company in general but either way that couldn't be farther from the truth. I wouldnt hesitate to buy most of their products (Mackie).Mackie is the american behringer, quality-wise, although many dare to admit it.
chagzuki, keep in mind when you post here that occasionally you get a response that is so far off what it true it makes you wonder if they have any experience with Mackie's at all. Hopefully you saw that when you read the post.
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
chagzuki,
I've also mixed with most two-way genelecs, but have most experience with the 1029 with a subwoofer (from genelec, several different types.)
In general they tend to sound almost artificially bright, with very sharp transients, which can be a problem in longwinded sessions.
Also, especially the 1029 has an odd peak somewhere in midrange and can sound very harsh. Then again, these combined with a subwoofer make very nice controlled and nice sounding combo.
They are all a bit expensive for what you get I think.
I've also tried to mix with Genelec 1034B, a huge main monitor system, but no luck there. This was in a tuned room as well. I found it quite difficult to make any drastic mixing desicions on them. I'm sure after a week or two things would have been easier.
danielmm,
I was referring to their monitors and mixers. I'm sure you're very satisfied with yours, and I used to like them all, too, but having used/heard them in use in very busy environments I wouldn't exactly recommend them anymore. The mixers compared to, say, allen heath, or other more estabilished manufaturers tend to sound worse, mostly due to the cheapish chipboard design. Mackies actually look better on the specs most of the time (and clever marketing), but then again, that's far from real life mixdowns. They're also harder to fix because of the non-modular board design.
The monitors on the other hand are ok, but there are much better sounding alternatives. Unless you happen to like the slightly loudspeaker like response, and the smudgy and hard hi-mids. oh gawd. that just brought back some bad memories.
I've also mixed with most two-way genelecs, but have most experience with the 1029 with a subwoofer (from genelec, several different types.)
In general they tend to sound almost artificially bright, with very sharp transients, which can be a problem in longwinded sessions.
Also, especially the 1029 has an odd peak somewhere in midrange and can sound very harsh. Then again, these combined with a subwoofer make very nice controlled and nice sounding combo.
They are all a bit expensive for what you get I think.
I've also tried to mix with Genelec 1034B, a huge main monitor system, but no luck there. This was in a tuned room as well. I found it quite difficult to make any drastic mixing desicions on them. I'm sure after a week or two things would have been easier.
danielmm,
I was referring to their monitors and mixers. I'm sure you're very satisfied with yours, and I used to like them all, too, but having used/heard them in use in very busy environments I wouldn't exactly recommend them anymore. The mixers compared to, say, allen heath, or other more estabilished manufaturers tend to sound worse, mostly due to the cheapish chipboard design. Mackies actually look better on the specs most of the time (and clever marketing), but then again, that's far from real life mixdowns. They're also harder to fix because of the non-modular board design.
The monitors on the other hand are ok, but there are much better sounding alternatives. Unless you happen to like the slightly loudspeaker like response, and the smudgy and hard hi-mids. oh gawd. that just brought back some bad memories.
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 2 Feb, 2004 from Essex, UK
Just treated myself to a pair of Event TR8's with which I am very pleased.
If you search around there are good deals out there - I got my pair for £399 (RRP £599)
Pete
If you search around there are good deals out there - I got my pair for £399 (RRP £599)
Pete
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- KVRAF
- 6179 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
Kingston sez;
About the mackies
Kingston is right on about the high-mids.
Much of the time,I need to attenuate the mids with my mixer by about 40% from the flat indented mid position.
The mids on the mackies are most definately louder and come off harsh to the ears.
About the mackies
I`ve had mine for a few yrs now.the smudgy and hard hi-mids.
Kingston is right on about the high-mids.
Much of the time,I need to attenuate the mids with my mixer by about 40% from the flat indented mid position.
The mids on the mackies are most definately louder and come off harsh to the ears.
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- KVRAF
- 11396 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Kingston and Kilroy, you guys seriously need to listen to the new genelec 8000 series of monitors. All I can say is that Genelec is back in business, BIG time. 
As for the old series, (which apparently is nearly 15 year old technology!
) I agree with all that you've said.. they are shite (I've had the 1029+subwoofer for about 2 years and plenty of 1031 experience).
Cheers!
bManic
As for the old series, (which apparently is nearly 15 year old technology!
) I agree with all that you've said.. they are shite (I've had the 1029+subwoofer for about 2 years and plenty of 1031 experience).Cheers!
bManic
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