Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

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BananaJoe
KVRist
38 posts since 19 Dec, 2009

Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:14 am

Synthetic benchmarks are at fault but still show something,

My retired i3 2120(second generation i3) could handle any big project as long as i had enough ram memory, it just could not deal multiple instances of known CPU hogs VSTi .

legendCNCD
KVRian
749 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from there

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:28 am

BananaJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:53 am
EnochLight wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:25 am
BananaJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 am
an i3-8100 can be as good of a choice as an i9 9000k depending on what you do.
Exactly - like surfing the web and checking email, both are great at. :lol:
Are you running 300 notes of polyphony? Most people are not.
Are you running more than 50 VST instances? Most people are not.

This is just a synthetic benchmark, real world usage typically brings much better results(for all compared processors).
Yeah, not running those plugins, as in real world I have fex. Diva, Omnisphere2 + something, battery4.. then loads of hq effects depenging on the song, multiply the synths too..

I'd take the headroom of 9900K if having money for it, it'll give more in the long run I think.

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EnochLight
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1127 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:55 am

legendCNCD wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:28 am
I'd take the headroom of 9900K if having money for it, it'll give more in the long run I think.
Agreed 100%.
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Kaine
KVRAF
1836 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:56 am

BananaJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:53 am
The multi thread performance is not relevant for audio in almost all cases
Why? Is your software not capable of addressing more than one thread?

The i9 vs the i3 is insanely more powerful when it comes to total track count within a given project.
BananaJoe wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:53 am
If multi core performance was a thing everyone should be using dual or quad Xeon setups that always existed.
People do and they used to do so a lot more until a few years back where single chips with tons of cores became a thing.

The reason I don't really advocate Xeon currently is the overall value on offer. You pay 20% or more on the kit over the desktop equal and don't get to overclock. Sure, you can go dual chip, but then you do take a memory addressing hit of up to 20% from the available performance overhead, much the same as you do with the 2 dies on one chip design with Ryzen.

The other main reason for not doing it right now is that none of the software is perticualarly well optimized past 32 threads, so it's a bit of a moot point for running twin chips, when you can get everything one chip with 16 cores and call it a day.

Still, 4 years ago, it was the only way to be able to fully rinse out your sequencer.

cleverr1
KVRist
260 posts since 29 Nov, 2005

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:59 am

Quick question for Kaine - With the TZ390 i9 9900K system in its overclocked state is the Passmark CPU score increased from the stock?

I'm confused about the "turbo" feature and how that would kick in. Does your overclocked system maintain the max frequency or is there a higher "turbo" frequency relative to the new base frequency of 4.9 GHz.

Sorry if this is a stupid question!

Kaine
KVRAF
1836 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:34 am

Regular turbo settings will stagger its core boosts, so one core will hit the advertised "turbo" clock and the rest are normally staggered by 100MHz each. So it might be 5.0, 4.9, 4.8 etc...

ASIO is fairly unforgiving, in that if any given core hits 100% load, then it'll crackle and glitch and it'll affect the whole signal. So, to some degree, it's only as strong as the weakest core.

I try to lock all the cores to the Turbo clock speed, so all cores are equal. In testing, it can offer somewhere around 10% gain where all plugins are equally sized and the loads are built up in an equal manner. I suspect the figure might prove a little higher in real terms, where one large plugin or complex effect might have a bigger impact in skewing the load balance if it hits a slow core, but that sort of testing is fairly hard to quantify with the monitoring tools available.

And no, there is no new turbo clock above it. If it's set it to given value then it's locked to that speed.

cleverr1
KVRist
260 posts since 29 Nov, 2005

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:37 am

Thanks for this. My i7 4790K system died so I'm about to order your TZ390 i9 9900K system. There are a few items in the configurator that I don't need that don't have null options so I've used the online form to request a quote for the system without them.

lwj
KVRist
86 posts since 3 Feb, 2018

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:02 pm

@Kaine, that's an interesting suggestion. It makes sense if ASIO works like that. I'll give it a try and see if it makes a difference. I think the way it's set now, my CPU isn't locked but it should get equal turbo speeds on all cores. 4,8ghz I think.

It might not get a result though, since I start hearing dropouts well before it's near 100% utilization, so it's clearly still bottlenecking somewhere else first.

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EnochLight
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1127 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Re: Is the I9 9900K overkill for music production?

Post Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:09 pm

lwj wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:02 pm
@Kaine, that's an interesting suggestion. It makes sense if ASIO works like that. I'll give it a try and see if it makes a difference. I think the way it's set now, my CPU isn't locked but it should get equal turbo speeds on all cores. 4,8ghz I think.

It might not get a result though, since I start hearing dropouts well before it's near 100% utilization, so it's clearly still bottlenecking somewhere else first.
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