donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

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donkey tugger
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4885 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:58 pm

I've done a metel song this year, so now surely time to aim some more vitrol at Morrissey - it's been a while.

After a titanic struggle I managed to successfully change the strings on the Shitenbacker 12 string electric, and immediately the jangle was better, although somwhat redolent of The Smiths. Hmm, I thought, in for a penny.... :hihi:

http://www.bennyleeds7.myfreeola.uk/don ... 261018.mp3

Vocal may yet need evening out/be a bit louder, I'll see.

Back to the sinthesiser song... :scared:
Last edited by donkey tugger on Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:42 am, edited 4 times in total.

dark water
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958 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:54 pm

Enjoyable listen and a catchy arrangement, with lovely guitar playing.
Indeed sounds very Smithsy, although your vocal delivery is perhaps a tad more upbeat (thank goodness)
TBH, I think the vocal level might be okay but the drums (particularly the snare) is a bit too loud or dry.
Strong ending, I like it.
Cheers.

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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:15 pm

dark water wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:54 pm
but the drums (particularly the snare) is a bit too loud or dry.
Good call - I'm bugger for doing it. Plus, I was f**king about so much with the vocals and acoustic guitars I forgot about the drums. Added a bit more reverb, turned the snare down a little, and the overall kit down a bit too. Not much, but it sits nicer with the style of the song now. New version uploaded. Cheers!

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Mister Natural
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2277 posts since 28 Oct, 2007 from michigan

Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:18 pm

stop

jk - keep on rocking son

:=)
"the digital photo of that guitar just doesn't have the same warmth as an analog photo for me"
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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:38 am

Mister Natural wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:18 pm
stop



I wondered..... :hihi:

Lotuzia
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:48 am

Prefer some of your other tracks on BC, but yeah ... don't stop
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fastlanephil
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 pm

I think the songs pretty good but the vocals are too far back in the mix. Maybe the guitars need to be remixed some.

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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:08 am

Lotuzia wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:48 am
Prefer some of your other tracks on BC, but yeah ... don't stop
I've got a few other things lined up (to be fair this was far too easy, but the new strings on the 12 strings...); some type of 60s psychedelic bizness and ting, a bit of sinthesiser pop, Stooges full on garage rokk.

You've got to mix it up...

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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:10 am

fastlanephil wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 pm
I think the songs pretty good but the vocals are too far back in the mix.
Mebbe, I've lived with it a bit now.. perhaps a touch though.
fastlanephil wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:10 pm
Maybe the guitars need to be remixed some.
A bit vague! Do tell...

beanpole
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311 posts since 6 May, 2005 from Somewhere In Scotland

Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:15 am

Love it. Whilst The Smiths are one of my favourite bands Steven Patrick is now a total arsehole of a man. Looking forward to your synth song :borg:
can't sing, can't play, looks awful.....
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Tbase2000
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188 posts since 23 Oct, 2017

Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:30 am

Guitar mix: Your strumming guitar has a lush full sound and basically owns the stereo wide field. With the other accent guitars I wouldn't have matching stereo doubles panned hard left/right. It's a busy picking piece so everyone needs there own spacial position so not to sound like a chorus of jumbled parts. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you doubled the main picking rhythm with basically the same tone. I would change to One tone with a little more VST warmth 50 Right pan and a lower delay panned to the left. Should get a neat tapping effect from those fast picks at 1/4 or 1/8 delay which would be better IMO than a doubled part which doesn't match exactly and doesn't chorus well. Either way I would narrow the field on the more interesting picking parts and keep the wide strums with accent parts and various odd pan numbers. 2:28 background vocal effects "Tell me" can come up. Sound great. The main vocal to my ears was spot on the whole song.

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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:01 am

beanpole wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:15 am
Love it. Whilst The Smiths are one of my favourite bands Steven Patrick is now a total arsehole of a man. Looking forward to your synth song :borg:
Cheers! Johnny Marr is still one of good guys at least. :love:

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donkey tugger
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:07 am

Tbase2000 wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:30 am
Guitar mix: Your strumming guitar has a lush full sound and basically owns the stereo wide field. With the other accent guitars I wouldn't have matching stereo doubles panned hard left/right. It's a busy picking piece so everyone needs there own spacial position so not to sound like a chorus of jumbled parts. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you doubled the main picking rhythm with basically the same tone. I would change to One tone with a little more VST warmth 50 Right pan and a lower delay panned to the left. Should get a neat tapping effect from those fast picks at 1/4 or 1/8 delay which would be better IMO than a doubled part which doesn't match exactly and doesn't chorus well. Either way I would narrow the field on the more interesting picking parts and keep the wide strums with accent parts and various odd pan numbers. 2:28 background vocal effects "Tell me" can come up. Sound great. The main vocal to my ears was spot on the whole song.
Thanks for the detailed listen, always good to get another considered perspective, especially from a geetarist.

I have used that technique with the delay a few times (and it's a good un!) but for this I did want the twin 12 string for the full-on jangle with that natural chorus, in the Smiths stylee. You have got me thinking though about narrowing the stereo width of them a bit (whilst leaving the acoustics hard panned) and also differentiating them a bit more in terms of amp sounds for each, plus making them a bit 'spikier', ie. with less mid cut around 2k. I shall have a f**k about and see what I can come up with.

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donkey tugger
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4885 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:57 pm

That's worked out nice with the geetars! New version uploaded up the top. Left it with just the backing vocal right at the end though - like the washed out effect.

sjm
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Re: donkeyt - Stop me if you think that I'm a bore

Post Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:58 pm

I've always been an arse.
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