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Reynder · Post by **Reynder** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:23 pm

As the title says, looking specifically for editing samples, creating SFX, etc. I have Live 10 Standard but am thinking about upgrading to Suite. Also looking into Reason 10, as its features look really awesome for creating "racks" to run samples through.

Bonus points for working with video, re-scoring clips, foley. I normally use S1v4 for that (even though I have to merge the audio and video separately later) because I am just not a Pro Tools fan. Ableton only accepts .MOV files, so I guess I could just use a converter.

Thanks!

djrevise5 · Post by **djrevise5** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:33 pm

If you have S1v4, couldn't you use that for all your needs? Ableton and Reason are both great sonic playgrounds though - Ableton is much more of a fluid workflow to me, and it has endless potential for sound design with Max for Live, racks, clip automation etc.

Reynder · Post by **Reynder** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 am

I've thought about using S1 but their sampling/editing doesn't seem as focused. The new update and ATOM stuff seems geared toward EDM, so maybe there is some more sample options that I need to dig into. I actually snagged an ATOM and have yet to scratch the surface on what it can do.

dukeitch · Post by **dukeitch** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:25 am

Neither Ableton nor Reason are good audio editors. Ableton uses external audio editors to edit samples in fact. Both programs are great for creative sound design, but not for editing audio. Live Suite offers the vast world of Max/MSP with loads of ready to go devices plus a thousand plateaus if you're willing to start programming yourself. So a slight nod towards Live as it supports video. If you plan to do sound design for films though, I would really recommend thinking about adding Adobe Audition to the equation as it will make your life a lot easier.

voidhead23 · Post by **voidhead23** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:47 am

dukeitch wrote: Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:25 am Neither Ableton nor Reason are good audio editors. Ableton uses external audio editors to edit samples in fact. Both programs are great for creative sound design, but not for editing audio.

Considering the OP is specifically referring to sound design, i think this is a moot point.

Reason to me is more like a physical studio with racks of instruments. Live is a fantastic playground for sound design. i've been reading a lot about Charlie Clouser lately, who scored the Saw films and some TV like Wayward Pines and he slaves it into Logic precisely for its sound design capabilities. But i don't see why Suite would be any better suited for that than Standard...the thing about Live that really helps with sound design is its different Warp Modes when stretching audio and abusing them in Simpler (also included with Standard). i feel like Max4L is only a super helpful sound design tool if you make your own patches (which i don't).

i own Suite 10, but i feel like i'm mostly only using the effects included in Standard, Simpler, Sampler and Drum Racks (occasionally Operator), and i do pretty extensive sound processing (not to picture, though). i feel weird using other DAWs exactly because of how creative you can get in Live specifically with audio.

i've done basic sound to picture in Live, but there are better programs out there for that. Still doable, though, for small projects.

classic · Post by **classic** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:20 pm

Waveform is cool for Sound design. Inbuild Clip fx like tapestopp, and so on. Time streching is the newest Version and sounds greate and it is really easy to work with samples without having the Need of other plugins to do so.
I love it.

dopet · Post by **dopet** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:23 am

Hi!

I haven't paid attention to Reason since about version 5.

BUT, version 10 looks really nice!

I will echo what has been said about Ableton Live. I really like the workflow for sound design and I think you are missing the boat by not having the Suite version just for Max for Live alone. I have sooooo many 'secret weapons' that are max for live (a lot paid for and a lot of freebies). Even without Max, simpler and sampler are quite useful for stretching the life out of a sample or sound effect. even just using the 'warp' tools on a piece of audio you dragged in is pretty cool. I've been addicted to granular tools for a bit now and having all the max for live options has been fun. I spend a lot of time (and money) at the Isotonik website buying up their devices.

I know this wasn't in your original query, but FL Studio is pretty fun to use for sound design. When you drag in a piece of audio, you can make all the radical changes you need right from the 'sample info' window ( I have no idea whats its really called at the moment). I have found it pretty easy to stretch, re-pitch and layer multiple audio tracks quickly in FL Studio. I just prefer the overall flow of using Ableton Live though....

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:44 am

Reynder wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:23 pm As the title says, looking specifically for editing samples, creating SFX, etc. I have Live 10 Standard but am thinking about upgrading to Suite. Also looking into Reason 10, as its features look really awesome for creating "racks" to run samples through.

Bonus points for working with video, re-scoring clips, foley. I normally use S1v4 for that (even though I have to merge the audio and video separately later) because I am just not a Pro Tools fan. Ableton only accepts .MOV files, so I guess I could just use a converter.

Thanks!

I do a lot of weird and not so weird sound design, and I primarily choose Ableton Live 9 standard for my work. Occasionally i"ll fire up bitwig 2.x but mostly I stick to Ableton because I'm most familiar with the workflow. I am quite familiar with the Reason workflow, and I enjoyed making music in Reason but when it came to sound quality I always felt I could get better results with Ableton and 3rd party plugins. That was some time ago, and now that Reason supports VST I could have went back, but to be honest I feel Ableton has more going for it so I'm going to stay.

Regarding Ableton Suites instruments/FX, well i can't really say I have a lot of experience with them. I have messed about with a friends Ableton 10 Suite setup and found the included instruments and effects (Wavetable, Echo, Sampler etc) to be more than worth it if you don't have a lot of 3rd party plugins. They give you a lot to work with and one of the nice things about working strictly in Ableton with the included plugins is that if you want to share a project with another Live 10 Suite user, they'll have no issue loading your project.

Eventually I'll be upgrading to Suite, mainly for MaxForLive which is incredible. If you do sound design stuff MaxForLive is one of the best options, and the DSP behind it is very very powerful. You also don't need to know anything about programming Max to enjoy maxforlive as there are now TONS of 3rd party patches you can get and many of them are for free.

SoundPorn · Post by **SoundPorn** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:12 am

If you wanna edit video and do sound design I would actually recommend Reaper then. Every track in Reaper is a 64 bit mixer and everything can be routed to everything and modulated rather easily. It even offers a spectrogram view in the timeline now. Plus it has built in video editing which get's better with every update.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:28 pm

AL seems more future proof for me, I you want Push2-3-etc. later...

THE INTRANCER · Post by **THE INTRANCER** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:39 pm

If you want to do sound design, then the best thing you could add to any DAW software wise is Native Instruments Reaktor. Not only is there some great sample mangling instrument ensembles, free and commercial, but a also a boat load of free ensembles to explore...

I've a thread here which explores many of the nice ones... viewtopic.php?f=1&t=504517

Studio One has a nice suite of plugins, as well as a large amount of creative sample content suited to film soundscape stuff that complements what you'll add with software like Reaktor. Adding another DAW is really more of a distraction, when you are comfortable or are new to one and in the process of learning what you have already. Reason is really poor when it comes to sample editing and it ain't got no native video builtin and Ableton has a love it or hate it GUI.

D.K Envelope · Post by **D.K Envelope** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:02 pm

the best for sound design is

Reason 10 and Bitwig 2.

Ableton live is a joke compared to Bitwig

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:10 pm

D.K Envelope wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:02 pmAbleton live is a joke compared to Bitwig

I also prefer Bitwig to Live, but the latter is not a "joke". Quit acting childish.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:25 pm

D.K Envelope wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:02 pm the best for sound design is

Reason 10 and Bitwig 2.

Ableton live is a joke compared to Bitwig

I also prefer Bitwig because the Bitwig modulation system is unmatched by any DAW.

But I used Ableton Live for years and it is not a joke. It is an excellent DAW and many people are using it for great work.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:56 pm

Almost every modern DAW will offer endless possibilities for sound design, especially if you add plugins to the mix.

But whatever you are going to use: Stick with it and learn every detail of it.

Buying all DAWs and every plugin will not transform you into a great sound designer. Knowing what you are doing is the key.

Ableton 10 Vs Reason 10 for Sound Design