Live 10 Plugin Scaling (Windows)

[LB0ND]

Hey guys,

I've been using Live 10 on my Macbook Pro for a while now and works great.

I've been testing live out on a Windows PC (Windows 10 build 1809) with a 4K display as I'm thinking of going full PC for my desktop. I'm running at 125% scaling on Windows and Live 10 (10.0.5) itself looks great and scales fine, however my installed VST plugins are super blury.

I've tried one trick that was suggested on this sub and thats by disabling HiDPI mode in ableton, disabling "auto plugin scaling" on my plugins and overiding the high DPI scaling behavior in Windows for the Ableton app. This works but I then have to manual change the plugin size in each of my plugins, per project and that's providing the plugin developers have even added a built in scaling feature to the plugin itself, otherwise they just stay at their original size (which is super tiny on a 4K display).

MacOS everything seems to scale as expected, older VST plugins are still blurry but newer VST plugins with higher resolution GUIs automatically scale to the correct size.

Does anyone know of a fix? I would of thought any issues like these would of been addressed by now since we're 5 updates into Ableton 10.

Hope you guys can help.

[antic604]

Do you have HiDPI enabled in Live's preferences?

In Live browser, you can right-click on any plugin choose if the plugin will be scaled by system or disable the scaling and adjust the size yourself, for plugins that have that option.

Lastly, plugins scaling follows Windows scaling factor I think, so you can experiment with that, i.e. have WIndows factor high, but Live's zoom lower, etc.

[Rivanni]

Don't scale Windows. It only scales good at 200%.
Just scale Live and your Plugins (when possible).

[antic604]

Don't scale Windows. It only scales good at 200%.

That's also very true. From my experience - Surface Pro 4 - if you need anything between 100% and 200% it's much better to just adjust the screen resolution, than rely on Windows scaling. This also causes all the problems with VSTs disappear, as there's no more high-DPI scaling.

I'm running my SP4 at 1500x1000 and even though the image is obviously slightly softer than native res (2736x1824) I finally don't have to worry about VST scaling, which was especially tricky using 4 DAWs that cope with the problem differently.

For music production, we're still living in 1080p era

[LB0ND]

That kinda sucks, I was hoping for a Mac like experience with scaling, especially now that Ableton supports HiDPI, I guess MS still has some work to do in this area.

[pottering]

Did you do all those fixes at the same time? I think you are supposed to try one at a time, then, if those don't work, some combinations. Disabling HiDPI in both Windows and Live obviously disables any HiDPI support.