KVR Audio

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:45 am

Hi All

Before comming with my question, i would like to point out that i think Cubase SX is a great program, but none the less, i do have one thing, that i would like to have changed to the better, and that is the sound of it, it is actually of good quality, no unwanted noise, but maybe that is the problem, i don`t know for sure but that could be the exact problem. You tell me. I Am recording and playing in 32/24 Bit and 48Khz, yesterday i tried for fun to turn it down to 22khz 16 bit, and the sound was more like i wanted, analogue maybe, But only a small improvement. Though it totally destroyed the dynamics.

I know of some Plug Ins that have a positive effect on Cubase SX overall sound, (V. 2.2.)
more on that later, but i also know how i would like to have it sound, there are to hosts i have heard it in but really don`t want to switch to, that is Magix Music Maker and Magix Music Studio versions 7, but it does not help to record the audio in Cubase and Re Recording it in Magix, though it could be my ears that is fooling me, i know Magix sound=Logic sound, but moving to Mac is a no goer too. So what do i do, The following Plug Ins Are those I have tested to improve sound the most( but maybe more in other directions than the one wanted ) , : iZotope Ozone/Trash, Kjaerhus Golden Compressor, Some of the DigitalfishPhones Plug ins, good reverbs almost always do, Halion 3, PSP Vintage Warmer, Sonalksis SV-315. Please feel free to give me an idea of some plugins that maybe do an even better trick ? Anyone out there hopefully. Or maybe some tweaks of Cubase SX 2, somebody knows will do it ? i have tried the obvious impulse responces, but i do not have a good impulse to feed Magix with, There did not come one included with SIR. Some Times when using Orion Platinum, And then going back to CSX 2 Makes the sound better for a while but only for a short while.

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:59 am

Come on, someone must know something, something that sounds good in Cubase SX 2, Something Cool, Some secret i never heard of before, please.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:29 am

You might get some more answers if you could be a bit more specific about what you’re looking for. ”Making it sound better” is a bit vague.

If it’s ”analogue warmth” you’re after, you might want to try some of the plugins from www.voxengo.com , like Lampthruster, Warmifier and Tube Amp. There are downloadable demo versions of all the Voxengo plugins (Tube Amp is freeware) so all you stand to lose is some of your time.

/Yoss

Mikael Adle · Post by **Mikael Adle** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:48 am

thnks for the link Yos

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:01 am

Mikael Adle wrote:thnks for the link Yos

Varsågod.

/Yoss

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:18 am

Voxengo crunchessor .. I absolutely recomend it. If i was the ruler of the world i would make sure everybody had one

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:12 pm

Thanks I will try them, what i am after though is some kind of soft silky smooth sound, something that really pleases the ear of the listener, as opposed to hard sound, you could call it a spherric sound, some of you most have had A Magix program so you would now how that sounds.

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 11:19 pm

Hi

The Voxengo Plug Ins might not be what I am looking fore, they sound okay, but my money stays in my pocket so far.

Keep the suggestions comming, i am open for hardware to, if not too expensive. do anyone know if powercore and that U something 1, is possible to get downloadable audio demos of.

Scotrick · Post by **Scotrick** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:20 am

by dropping down to 22khz aren't you lowering the frequency response down to 11khz? that means you're making it sound 'silky,' by removing quite a bit of frequency response... and yeah, it's going to sound 'harsher,' with a full frequency response IF you're using samples or instruments that have harsh frequencies... that's why knowing how to use an EQ is one of the greatest tools in your arsenal... Cubase and other programs like it give you all of the frequencies, it's up to you to figure out how to remove the ones that don't sound right to your ears, but it's no fault of the program itself, as the sound you're looking for might not be what someone else wants... and of course, it depends on your monitor speakers too, because what might sound 'harsh,' on your speakers could sound fine on someone else's

jtxx000 · Post by **jtxx000** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:59 am

Lowering the bit depth is going to make it sound even more digital... check out the stuff at iZotope.com... If you really want it to sound analogue sound you can get vinyl. If you want to make your mixes sound better ozone is good for that.

drinelli · Post by **drinelli** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:19 pm

Maybe I still have quite a bit to learn Alabamian, i actually am using equalizers, firium being the most obvious of them, but still i can`t get anyway near that sound i like so much. But we all know every plugin has its own sound and one plug in must be closer to that sound than others, so i am still looking for it, but switching from Cubase to Magix MS, and from Cubase to Orion P, makes a significant diference, a better difference, with exactly the same plug in presets, so their response can`t be entirely flat, when the monitoring have been done on the same equiptment.

I have read of someone writing to have experienced better sounding audio cards from creative, than the M-Audio`s 2496 Audiophile card, well i have experienced the same, the audiophile is the card i have now, that may maybe be a dull sounding card, but actually i am mixing internal to a file so that should make no difference, or does it ?

The iZotope Plug ins are wery good i atually have them, Ozone, and Trash, eh the Vinyl plugin is that not the one that just adds pops and crackles to your recording. Or does it add analogue sound too, please tell jtxx000.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:28 pm

drinelli wrote:I have read of someone writing to have experienced better sounding audio cards from creative, than the M-Audio`s 2496 Audiophile card, well i have experienced the same, the audiophile is the card i have now, that may maybe be a dull sounding card, but actually i am mixing internal to a file so that should make no difference, or does it ?

Internal processing for internal sounds, the soundcard doesn't come into play. When you listen to the playback though, it does.

Devon

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:05 am

Who Can Come Up With The Best CubSX 2 Sound Improver? Samplitude.

Sam C Spacey · Post by **Sam C Spacey** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:44 am

I think what you are after is maybe recording to tape, then back into Cubase. Try recording a normal piano vsti sample in sx, it sounds very sterile and cold. Now try recording it to cassette tape...yes cassete tape.... hiss and everything, now play it back into sx. A much more pleasing sound. Also play all your vsti's at 96khz or atleast export them at 88khz/96khz from your 44.1khz project.... the difference in the bass and overall smoothness is amazing.

Vsti's sound shit at 44.1khz thats why people allways prefer hardware. I know this will spark off a huge debate and people will go on about nyquists thery...but use your ears, I've been doing this long enough as a job to know when something sounds shit or not

Also try runningyour vsti's through your monitors and micing up the monitors and recording into cubase that way.... get some air in your sounds.

mmdejonge · Post by **mmdejonge** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:30 am

Thanks Sam

I'm experiencing the same problem as Drinelli; this is probably the greatest tip I've read so far!