My timing is precise but ... inaccurate.

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Chris Walton
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2180 posts since 25 Jan, 2007 from the back room, away from his wife's sight (or so he thinks)

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:07 pm

Yup, as title says.

Been playing guitar forever, mostly in my bedroom just noodling, and now that I'm trying to record some more "serious" things I'm noticing more and more my deficiencies in this area. In particular the following: My timing tends to be mostly correct in context with each other, but I have a tendency to consistently pick early. Even funkier, when I'm trying to record a part and try to stay accurate, I tend to get the first 1-3 notes "correct" but then drift off into being consistently early again. Funnily enough, it usually sounds okay-ish while recording, but then sounds bananas during playback. It's not a sound card issue, as I've been able to reproduce this on several setups, and it also happens when I play on the MIDI controller (so really it's not specific to guitar but that's the important instrument).

This seems to be ingrained into my brain and I have no idea how to break out of this. Any tips?
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nix808
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4297 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:21 pm

I have found my timing has improved by jamming to Raggatek.
It helps to detune 4 semitones downward to me

Maybe the right drum track or backing rhythms?

njoy!

tapper mike
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5508 posts since 20 Jan, 2008

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:35 am

A lot of jazz musicians work on slowing tempos down then... work at being ahead (pushing) or behind (dragging) the beat. This is something that will help every artist.

Also... Practice in the morning Perform at Night.

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donkey tugger
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7335 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:36 am

Turn the f**king drums up!

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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16289 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:39 am

Start dancing. Seriously...Start dancing :tu:

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vurt
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71143 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:39 am

practice more lazyarse!

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vurt
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71143 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:40 am

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:39 am
Start dancing. Seriously...Start dancing :tu:
like the shadows?

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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16289 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:42 am

vurt wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:40 am
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:39 am
Start dancing. Seriously...Start dancing :tu:
like the shadows?
Yes! Or at least that's one option. But start dancing before even touching your instrument :wink:

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Forgotten
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11460 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:53 am

Learning to drum really shows you how good or bad your timing really is, especially if you play along to recorded music.

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The Noodlist
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3035 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:07 am

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donkey tugger
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7335 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:13 am

The Noodlist wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:07 am
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Not a bad call sometimes...

One of my mates is utterly shite at keeping time just by listening, but if he watches the kick drum on a VU meter or something like that, then he's miles better. For some people the visual cues must be more effective.

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:27 am

I think that metronomes are useful. However, I still think that it's good to try and cultivate movement physical to help keep the beat. My suggestion to try dancing is that you'll be able to find out if the problem is a lack of innate timing. It need not be anything elaborate. In fact, smaller movements are better, as these can then be transferred playing/recording. Whether it's the tapping of a foot, or the nodding of a head - Having that pulse running through the body can really help with keeping timing on-point.

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vurt
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71143 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:30 am

so, drumming while dancing at the same time as staring at a metronome.
you should be steve vai by this time next week :)

AnX
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7934 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:42 am

donkey tugger wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:36 am
Turn the f**king drums up!
only if it's a drum machine, otherwise, turn them down :hihi:

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vurt
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71143 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:43 am

tapper mike wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:35 am
A lot of jazz musicians work on slowing tempos down then... work at being ahead (pushing) or behind (dragging) the beat. This is something that will help every artist.

Also... Practice in the morning Perform at Night.
good tip :tu:

dont worry about your timing and tell everyone its jazz :)

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