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Edit: Ohhkay! Its no buisness. A stop in development. I see :dog:. Hehe.. it was a nice trip learning the program anyways so i wont loose all my sences now. .. thanks to them who enlightnet me :)
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im in :hyper:/:love: mode right now. I was surfing my latest cd from computer music and thought that i should try DS-404 (i dont have a sampler .. just drumsampler) .. with a little nostalgy in my eyes i installed the cm instruments. Those were the first i used when i went software, but i havent used them in a long time.

Then this folder with muzys caught my eyes. I remember trying it many years ago .. uh, perhaps just two years ago, but in computerterms thats more then a decade! :) Anyways, at the time i tried i was ..ehh :oops: not impressed with it. I didnt get it at all, and it felt soo limited.
Here goes nothing, i thought, and headed over to muzys website. The first thing i noticed was the screenshot, and how *fresh* everything looked. Being used to cubase's coulors it felt like steping out from a dark cave and smell the blue sky!

On this page, http://www.muzys.com/product.html, there is a long description of the program. Interested i began to read. And boys, girls and other sickos .. Every paragraph made my heart jump twice! I really urge you all to read that page.
I think i can sum it up with these keywords and sentences:

* Built-in loopslicer with autokey assignment
* Copy quantizeation from audioloops AND midiloops
* A mixture of standard (cubaseish) and patternsequence (i guess that would be acid/TR-909-offspring :-o)
* A very cool way ... how should i put it .. i think this image will help me explain it:
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Click here for a fullsize image: http://www.bjornlundberg.com/muzy.jpg

What you see on the left is the window that opens if you click on a button like the Fx-661 above. Button .. i dont know if that is the right name, it doesnt feel like a button. A button, for me is .. :oops: :help:
The button is similar to cubase's trackname. When clicked this window apear where you can select what that track should be. It can be a sample like those on the top (Stringhi, Stringlo and so on). If you select a sample it will be playable on your keyboard. heh, how easy isnt that for quick sampling!? Pick either "ad new sound" or a sample alread loaded at an eariler time.
Here you can also select if you want that track to play midi and then what channel and port. Also availible is automationtracks for the mixer and effects. Im minutes away from figuering out how to automate instruments .. ill get back on that!

You now have selected something that should play (or automate). Selecting the pen will let you draw a nice box .. to the right, where all the blue boxes are. After drawing a window pops up. This will let you choose a name for that box, or select a sequence already made before. You also choose the length of this sequence, from one tic to one bar, four bars and eternity (it wont loop then).

Lets say you have a four bar bassdrumloop (you clicked on the 'button' and selected a file called bassdrum.wav for instance, you then used the pen in the area where the blue boxes are, typed or clicked that the sequence was going to be four bars long, you clicked ok, you douobleclicked on the blue box, used the pen to enter notes and closed the window (pressing escape and then selecting no (thats dont undo, perhaps you can press another key, havent checked yet).
Now you can copy that blue box, you can shorten it so it only will play two bars, and you can make it longer it with the pen so it will be .. whatever your quantize will let you. This is extremly similar to acid. You can move sequenses (blue boxes.. :)) from one track to another.

:oops: Mhkay! I solved the automation of instruments i guess. In the same window as the pianoroll, there are a few buttons above. pianoroll was checked .. its accompanied with: Grafix editor and list editor. Grafix editor is where the automation occurs. to the left of those buttons are the composerbutton. Clicking it will get you back to the main window .. so my way of pressing esc might not be the best :)

To sum what i just wrote you use just one kind of track for everything! For audio, automation and midinotes! In cubase all these things need seperae tracks.. Good or bad? Give me a few hours more! :)

Some sequensers are not that fun to learn .. this one is!

Ok, two hours later of real fun i can continue with this that turned to be something of a tutorial.

using effects made me cry. in a good way. I tell you, this guy or girl behind muzys is a real genious. You really must try it, i bet all i can do is confuse you.

In one way it works like logic. You can only have one effect/instrument open at a time. This is something i miss from the time a long time ago when i had the oportunity to use logic. The good thing is not that you only can see an instrument or an effect at a time, the good thing is that they close down! No more having hundreds (ahh.. ten atleast) of vstis and vst's behind the pianoroll or mainpage in cubase. You know that click once to close, click again to show instrument-procedure? no more!

I wonder how similar this program is to tracktion.

Since this is the computer musicversion of muzys i dont know if there are any cutdowns.
The mixer has eight .. ehm. Instead of having separated inserts and sends, this program combines them. A insert can be "send to....". Eight might be a low number for some. If so, there is a solution.
On the bottom of these eight .. things .. you select witch output to use. There are eight of these outputs. So if you want more effects .. just continue adding them in out 1-8 for another eight effects. Going to the outputpage (ie busses) you can select eight effects as mentioned and also select witch FINAL output to use, that is your soundcards outputs.
There are eight auxsends (why is everything eight here?? :scared:). Each aux has .. EIGHT effects/insertsthings too. Its kinda like the thing steinberg added in cubase sx2 :P

I just noticed that you can move effects to any other channel/aux/output(bus). just rightclick on the effect in mind and "move to" .. select if it is going to be instruments, aux or output. Then select witch channel and then slot. Beware though, it seem like muzys overwrites anything in the selected slot. Luckily there is an undobutton.

To further point out how userfriendly this program is: Whenever selecting a track, you automaticaly see the bottompart of it going to the appropiate page. If you select a track with CM-101 you'll see its mixpage (if mixing desk is selected) or the synthrack (if its selected), where the synth will be selected.

Did you think that reading this text was hard!?
Do something easy, try muzys!

(no, i dont get paid for this ;))

Heh.. this program is free :D :lol: :shock: :-o :o :!:


The downside? I just noticed.
Maximum number of instruments are FIVE! :cry: :? :cry: :-o :roll:
Maximum of channels for instruments are eight!
Assume you have three synths loaded and each of them has four outputs. You then select for each of these outputs to witch of the eight availble channels the sound will go to. :cry:

I bet/hope/pray that this is just a limitation of the computer musicversion. Can someone clarify?
Ive been thinking of ditchiing cubase se for something new .. and this might just be it. But i cannot work with these limits. I cant! :cry:
using RMIV with a doezen outputs and having a compressor on each and one of these .. not possible here .. unless all i want is a drumkit :bang:
Last edited by Crackbaby on Sat Aug 21, 2004 9:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
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I can think of a couple of reasons..
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And those are?

I realise that after writing the post i should have changed the topic .. cause i dont think i need an answer to that .. hehe .. it was more of an expression :)
spaceman wrote:I can think of a couple of reasons..
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-non-development
-counter-intuitive (to me, you seem impressed though!)
-RAM only for audio parts
-VST restrictions

That's just a beginning. ;)

You posed the hypothetical question, "I wonder what it's like compared to Tracktion." I can only suggest trying the demo. It's been modified so that it's now fully-functional for 2 weeks, after which it does the old "periodic hiss" form of crippling along with one or two other features being disabled.

To make it easy for you, here's the link:

http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion/index.html

I just noticed that you have to 'sign up' to get a demo... that's kind of annoying... but as long as they don't ask anything invasive, it'll be well worth it.

Now, I understand that Muzys (ie. the full/"real" version) was going to be quite an interesting sequencer before the developer ran into some hurdles and halted development. If/When he gets back, that might still end up being the case. However, just the other day I was pointing out on a different thread how irritating I found Computer Muzys to be, so this is clearly a case of to each their own. ;)

[edit: oh, and if you try the tracktion demo, at least check out the quick-start... but if you don't, at LEAST know that the "filters" polygon in the upper right of your screen is where your plugins are found. Drag it to a track to make use of it.]

Greg

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perhaps because it is a given up software...written by people (or probably one guy) who made a painstaking secret about their identity and have suddenly disappeared?

could be.

if someone has bigger gaps in his curriculum vitae that's mostly an indicator for prison or psychiatry stays.

and if someone quits his internet shop and disappears without a trace....without having said before who he was and where he was.....?
make your own conclusions.
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Lunch Money wrote:

To make it easy for you, here's the link:

http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion/index.html
Greg
Your are a darling! Thanks, i will finally check it out now. I got the impression that muzus was in progress again, but i guess i was wrong :(
Those drawbacks you mentioned (audio only in ram for instance) also makes me think twice..

Oh well, lets jump into the world of tracktion and seek the satisfaction! :D
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I think theres a 30 day no-hiss version of Tracktion on your CM CD. Don't think it's the latest version with Final Mix included though.
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The 30-day version is no-hiss, but has other limitations. You're better off downloading the new version which is fully functional for 2 weeks, which should be plenty enough time for you to say either "yea" or "nay". And then, if you still haven't decided, you can either go with the CM demo or just continue using it but with the limitations.

Greg

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Lunch Money, i was looking in the forums at computer music and i saw that you wrote that you had tried the commersial version. What are the differences?
More instruments i guess .. anything else that you can remember?

:hyper: someone in that forum said that the dude behind muzys said that muzys aint dead! ME HAPPY!


/Gronk :o
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There's a Muzys forum here, Crackbaby. Scroll down on the main page. You'll find lots of truth and rumour...

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I've been using Muzys for some time (the full version: 32 instruments, 16 channels). Although it can't make hard disk recording, it's best the best approach for me on the workflow side. So I keep sighing for Jo's return. In the meantime I tried Tracktion, but I feel hard to cope with the strange midi editor (comparing to Muzys) and the lack of a loops pool (still comparing to Muzys). The developer gave some signs of life recently, saying he can't talk yet about what he's up to in the moment, so the big mystery remains.The bottom line is: get me a hardisk recording version of Muzys and I'll stick to it, no doubt. Otherwise I'll have to move, probably to Tracktion :cry:
Eventually something intelligent will appear written here. Watch this space.

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jax wrote:I've been using Muzys for some time (the full version: 32 instruments, 16 channels). Although it can't make hard disk recording, it's best the best approach for me on the workflow side. So I keep sighing for Jo's return. In the meantime I tried Tracktion, but I feel hard to cope with the strange midi editor (comparing to Muzys) and the lack of a loops pool (still comparing to Muzys). The developer gave some signs of life recently, saying he can't talk yet about what he's up to in the moment, so the big mystery remains.The bottom line is: get me a hardisk recording version of Muzys and I'll stick to it, no doubt. Otherwise I'll have to move, probably to Tracktion :cry:
Hehe.. i installed the computer music version (as you can guess .. as everyone can guess who red my post) .. and after reading what you wrote, i opened up muzys and recorded audio! :D

Tools/record audio
its under ad a sound
and above mixdown to file

so that is good news or have i missed out something?

/Björn :hug:
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I :hail: to the Muzygod!
Just tried the different skins that came with the CM cd. :cry:

Evolve! Program! EVOLVE!!!!

How much was it for the program when it was still sold?

32 instruments.. awwwwww
16 channels ..awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

Since most vsti's has built'in effects i dont think that 16 channels is a big problem. If i think back to the time when i only used hardware, i had two compressors and three fxunits. Besides, limitations ARE creative :)

Heck. Two stesolid to keep me calm in a time like this :hyper:
maybe should have a naproxen too while im at it :P

/Me :scared:


Previewedit(?): Looking at my post a got a huge deja vu. Freaky! :clown:

Just to make one thing clear.

32 vsti's?
16 channels for those vsti's?
8 auxsends?
8 Outputs(busses)?
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it also makes a great coaster when you're done with it
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Crackbaby wrote:32 vsti's?
16 channels for those vsti's?
8 auxsends?
8 Outputs(busses)?
You get MuZynth, a fantastic sample-based synth.
The instrument rack has 32 slots.
There are 16 main channels, 16 aux channels and 16 output channels, each with 8 inserts (which can be sends to aux channels).
The details are still up on the website and you can still download the demo.
http://www.muzys.com/product.html

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