Ableton sync problem driving me crazy

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I have a weird sync problem in ableton. I record a jam, say massive and alchemy and some drums, when I playback it sounds fine, as I recorded it, but sometimes one of the elements, usually massive, is out of sync and/or playing something completely different to what I recorded. I have tried the retrigger in massive (or enable Restart via Gate in the oscillator tab) to no avail.

Ive stripped these down to just two sounds to illustrate.

This is what it should sound like, and does in older versions :

https://clyp.it/1l25oanv

and this is what is happening :

https://clyp.it/iggor4gx


Any ideas what might be causing this?
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